Tina Knowles Opens Up About Beyoncé's Hair Controversy And Finding Love In New Podcast

    Another gem to add to your podcast collection.

    Journalist and New York Times best-selling author Janet Mock has teamed up with Lena Dunham to bring you an awesome new podcast, debuting TODAY!

    Never Before with Janet Mock is LENNY's second podcast featuring in-depth conversations with today's hottest celebrities and cultural leaders.

    In her own words, Janet described the podcast exclusively to BuzzFeed as:

    An affirming and inclusive podcast that uses the conversation as a means of sharing ourselves, our insights and our experiences, and gives listeners the opportunity to learn from and laugh with the world's most known and talented cultural figures.

    Since she has a knack for bringing out the best in her guests, uncovering things like their greatest achievements and life-changing moments should be a breeze.

    And this podcast didn't just come together overnight. Both women worked diligently to create a refreshing series worth the listen. Janet revealed it took almost two years.

    Never Before has been nearly two years in the making, from Lena's couch and Pineapple Street's studios to the sacred space that is Miss Tina's kitchen table in the Hollywood Hills. I am elated to bring together all my selves -- the fangirl, the journalist, the feminist -- in this intimate space that allows my guests and I to give and bear testimony.

    While executive producer Lena admitted she had to do A LOT of stalking to get this project off the ground:

    I stalked Janet into becoming my friend (fully stalked) then pushed even further to make her my collaborator. That's because she is smarter, funnier, cooler and more aware than any other American working in media. The chance to executive produce her podcast isn't just an honor–it's an education. I cannot wait to share it with the world.

    For the very first episode, Janet sat down with none other than Tina Lawson (formerly Tina Knowles). That's right, Beyoncé's mom!

    Tina spilled some fun tea about everything from Destiny’s Child to her hilarious corny jokes, and here’s a sneak peek of everything that went down in the episode:

    On not spoiling Destiny's Child:

    On Beyoncé's hairstyle controversy:

    On stepping into the spotlight:

    On the origin of those infamous corny jokes:

    On helping older women find their spark again:

    To find out everything Janet and Tina discussed, you can listen to the entire debut episode of Never Before here, as well as iTunes and Spotify.

    And if you can't get enough of Janet Mock like us, then you're in luck! Her second book, Surpassing Certainty: What My Twenties Taught Me, is scheduled to hit stores June 13.