Here’s An “All Too Well (Taylor’s Version)” Explainer For Everyone Confused By All The Taylor Swift Content On Their Timeline

    “The song’s primary mode of spreading is not the song — it’s gossip.”

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    On today's episode of BuzzFeed Daily, we broke down the top pop culture headlines AND discussed Taylor Swift. You can listen below or scroll down to read more about the interview!

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    So let's dive right into it! Recently we talked to Buzzfeed’s Elamin Abdelmahmoud about all things Taylor Swift. Here's some of what we learned:

    BuzzFeed Daily: So, we needed a legit expert like yourself to help explain what exactly has been happening because so far I've just been relying on TikTok, but you know the music itself. But first, can you give us a little background on the album Red and this current rerelease?

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    BuzzFeed Daily: OK, so the track that's been getting the most attention so far is the 10-minute version of "All Too Well," which is allegedly about her ex-boyfriend, Jake Gyllenhaal. So what is it about this new version that has become such a flashpoint?

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    BuzzFeed Daily: So there's also this debate about whether this relationship deserves this much attention. There's that one hand of like, "OK, maybe this could have been a private thing that not all the world needs to know, because if it does go into so much detail." But on the other hand, I've seen tweets that are like, "If I dated Jake Gyllenhaal, we'd have a musical there." I think both seem like sound arguments, but what do you think about this debate?

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    EA: Listen, I'm not in the business of telling people that relationship pain has an expiration date. I don't think that's my personal business to sort of police.

    T-Swift put out this music video for "All Too Well," the 10-minute version, and it stars Dylan O'Brien, who does not not look like Jake Gyllenhaal in this music video. You know, she's obviously been very intentional about sort of trying to telegraph what this is about, but also at the same time, I think the fact that she's put this out nine years later and is so removed from it — she's found love with Joe Alwyn, and things seem to be going pretty well — I think it was meant to be sort of taken in the context of, "I'm a different person now. I have distance from this pain now. And so I can sort of capture and play with it in these ways."

    Having said that, Swift is going to do what Swift is going to do. And the Swifties, I think, are only second to Barbz in terms of being the most mafia-like. And so — and this is not to endorse the behavior of the fandom — but I think the excitement of the version of the song that people have been dreaming of for so long, coupled with the devastating details that we're learning about, has sort of unearthed all of those emotions and made them really fresh. And also at the same time, the song's primary mode of spreading is not the song — it's gossip. People are so interested in the sort of gossipy parts of this whole drama. But also the song as a text is clearly fascinating for a lot of people. And like you said, people are like, "I would also be mining that relationship for a really long time if I was if I was ever dating Jake Gyllenhaal." (Jake, if you're listening, get at me.)

    BuzzFeed Daily: I think we also have to give Taylor a lot of credit for elevating the conversation around age gaps between older men and younger women. She's even instigated a new TikTok trend in which women are reassessing their past relationships with older men. I mean, do you think this was her intention or was she just telling her own story, and all the different facets of it?

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    BuzzFeed Daily: Okay, so if you were Jake Gyllenhaal, what would you do? Would you make a statement? Because this isn't just Taylor Swift singing about some random person. She's singing about someone who is very famous and is most likely going to be in the new Spider-Man. So it's just weird. Everyone is putting all of this pressure on him and they're looking at his life and we're only getting one side of the story. So would you say that like it would make sense for him to come out and make a statement? Should he stay quiet? Should he go into hiding?

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