Joss Whedon On Kickstarter And “Firefly”: “It Doesn’t Just Open The Floodgates”

But Whedon does feel “unfettered joy” about the success of the Veronica Mars Kickstarter campaign.

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Adam B. Vary

Actors Nathan Fillion, writer/director Joss Whedon, and Summer Glau at the Firefly 10 Year Anniversary Reunion during San Diego Comic-Con on July 13, 2012. Image by Alexandra Wyman / Getty Images

Practically from the first moment that Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell announced their Kickstarter campaign for a Veronica Mars movie — and certainly after the project amassed over $2.5 million in 24 hours — people began wondering if the same could be done for another gone-before-its-time TV series.

Joss Whedon was one of them.

“Yes, obviously, the next thing will be that we will try to Kickstart a Dollhouse reunion,” Whedon told BuzzFeed.

He’s joking, folks. Whedon — a professed Veronica Mars super-fan — says he knew almost instantly that now that fan-based funding had been proven viable at a feature-film scale, the constant drumbeat of “when will there be another Firefly movie?” would only get louder. Whedon is something of a pioneer in the realm of reviving a canceled series into a feature film: Three years after Fox unceremoniously axed Firefly in 2002, Whedon convinced Universal Pictures to bankroll a feature-film version that served as his feature-directing debut. Alas, Serenity grossed a meager $38.9 million worldwide, scuttling any lasting hope that a major studio would step up to do it again. But if Fox or Universal signed off on distributing a fan-funded Firefly film…? Just the idea of it is enough to get Browncoats everywhere scratching at their wallets.

Initially, however, Whedon declined to talk about what the implications of Veronica Mars’ success would mean for Firefly. But then, he says, “I realized if I don’t, it’s the only thing I’m ever going to be asked ever by anyone.”

So here’s what he had to say:

Whedon (center) directing Nathan Fillion (right) on the set of Serenity. Image by Everett Collection

Adam B. Vary: So what was your reaction when you heard this was happening with Veronica Mars and it was so successful?

Joss Whedon: It was unfettered joy. A) I thought it was an awesome and ballsy move. B) I love V. Mars and want more of it. And C) It feels like a real game-changer. Like, not since Louis C.K. [selling his comedy special directly online].

ABV: There has been some bellyaching about the idea of going to fans to ask them to donate money to a project that they won’t be true investors in.

JW: Mmmhmm.

ABV: Any thoughts on that?

JW: You know, I get that. I understand that it feels not as pure, and that the presence of a studio makes it disingenuous somehow. But people clearly understood what was happening and just wanted to see more of the thing they love. To give them that opportunity doesn’t feel wrong. If it was a truly wrong move, I don’t think it would have worked. I feel like people would have said, “Hey, that’s not fair! That doesn’t count!” It costs a lot to see a movie anyway. And it’s usually not one you like. That kind of passion, I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing. I might not be thinking it through. I’m not exactly business Joe.

ABV: So, what does this mean for Firefly?

JW: That’s what everybody wants to know about. Uh, yeah. My fourth feeling when I read about [the Veronica Mars Kickstarter campaign] was a kind of dread. Because I realized the only thing that would be on everybody’s mind right now. I’ve said repeatedly that I would love to make another movie with these guys, and that remains the case. It also remains the case that I’m booked up by Marvel for the next three years, and that I haven’t even been able to get Dr. Horrible 2 off the ground because of that. So I don’t even entertain the notion of entertaining the notion of doing this, and won’t. Couple years from now, when Nathan [Fillion]’s no longer [on] Castle and I’m no longer the Tom Hagen of the Marvel Universe and making a giant movie, we might look and see where the market is then. But right now, it’s a complete non-Kickstarter for me.

ABV: I think you would need at least 10 times the budget of what the Veronica Mars folks are asking for their movie to make a Firefly movie make sense.

JW: Yes. We come to Veronica Mars to hear her talk and hear her father talk. But Firefly/Serenity, it’s kind of a different animal — and then there’s also the question of what kind of animal it is. Because some people are talking about Firefly episodes. Some people are talking about [a new] Serenity. I think anything we could get off the ground would be appreciated by the fans. But what form it would take is I think under some debate.

For me, [Kickstarter] doesn’t just open the floodgates. God knows, things are cheaper now than when we made even Serenity. Good effects can be done in a different manner. Nor is that universe all about spectacle either. But it is a tad more expensive — and a little all-consuming! And of course, there’s the other fear: What if it’s not that good? I can do something that’s not that good — that’s fine. But if I do that and it’s not that good, I’m going to feel really stupid.

Because I’m too busy to deal with it, I did have a moment of just, Oh my god! I’m in trouble now. I’ve always said, “Yes, I’d love to do another one,” and it’s still true. But I sort of got slapped in the face with it. Or probably will.

ABV: Well at least you have a good excuse to kick the can down the road a bit, since you’re, how did you put it, the Tom Hagen of Marvel Universe? That’s a great metaphor.

JW: (laughs) That’s how I see it. At some point, [Marvel Studios chief] Kevin Feige is going to turn to me and say, “You’re out, Joss.”

This interview has been edited and condensed.

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    • Foolishness 2 months ago

      I see that none of you have seen the “Browncoats” movie? You need to find a copy. It is an “authorized” extension to the Firefly Universe and a very good one.  http://browncoatsmovie.com

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    • Foolishness 2 months ago

      kickstarter doesn’t have to be about the money every time. It is possible to Morph a Kickstarter Campaign into a “Call for Scripts.”

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      A Buffy movie would be great, but honestly I want an ANGEL movie. ANGEL.

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    • daral 2 months ago

      Kickstart it to buy the rights, FIRST. To my mind, that’s really paramount because then it means a new series or movie(s) would be made the way they *ought* to be as opposed to being made from the studio’s POV (read that as BOX OFFICE bottom line). I fell in love with Firefly from the moment the Ballad of Serenity began to play in the opening credits and I’ve wanted to live in that ‘verse as a Serenity crew member ever since. So as a devoted fan, I want to see what comes next done in the spirit of the original and have it hold true to the characters I love so much. What I *don’t* want to see is a bastardized abomination made to fit the studio’s idea of what will make them the most money off fans who have salivated for something new for the last 10 yrs. In other words, I do NOT want to see some craptastic Firefly version of Alien vs Predator. It would be too sad for words.

    • alp3 2 months ago

      the buffy cast…. travel through time and save the firefly cast… or rather bring back the dead characters as vampires, bam perfect movei *joke* althoug hit would be sorta hilariosu ifdone correctly as a series :p

    • iand7 2 months ago

      firefly was great; it’s a tragedy the story wasn’t allowed to develop fully and naturally … but the horse has bolted. tv shows have to be made in their natural timeframe, otherwise you’re making one of those dreadful gilligan’s island reunion movies. the real story here is that in the FUTURE someone like joss will be able to rescue something good that has been axed by idiots

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      I loved Buffy, but Firefly was INCREDIBLE! I would give anything to see Mal and the crew together again! But, I agree, we need Wash and Shepherd Book back!

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      Joss Whedon doesn’t owe us a movie. Where were you guys when Firefly was struggling?

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      The V.Mars kickstarter had some awesome perks - a chance for a speaking role in the movie?! Can you imagine how many Browncoats would sell their own mother for that?

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      screw Buffy that story is done and over (angel was a better series any way, especially once Spike was in it) but Firefly is just amazing even now 11 years on I can still watch those episodes and enjoy them every time. 14 is not enough were are the other 150/200 it deserved?

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      Good to know I wasn’t alone in immediately thinking of Firefly when I read the Veronica Mars Kickstarter. :) IMHO, screw Marvel, give us more Firefly. O:-) (And then perhaps some Angel)

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      I would donate to a firefly kickstarter.

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      Firefly is the first thing I thought of when I read about the Veronica Mars Kickstarter. I would definitely give money to see Firefly back on tv or on the big screen.

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      I got the Firefly movie and I would like to see it revived but the series I would love to see revived to at least a better ending is
      PUSHING DAISIES. Like Firefly, that show deserved a much better fate.

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      “Firefly”? Almost certainly too expensive for fan funding at this stage in crowd financing’s evolution. Now “Terriers” on the other hand…

    • susans38 2 months ago

      Like a lot of the commentators, I too hope and pray in vain for a BTVS movie but there is a small, dark, realistic part of me that gets that is a be careful what you wish for kind of deal.  Do you all remember when there was talk of a BTVS movie, one not written, approved or directed by Joss in any way shape or form but conceived by the people that simply put money into the original movie and looked to cash in on the series popularity? If that was how they were gonna do the movie, I was more than happy to go without. Plus what kind of Buffy movie would it be? SMG pretty much quit the series via magazine cover for a movie career and since that didn’t exactly happen I’m sure she’s down for a do-over but a lot of fans think she killed the series by making it clear she was done. On the other side of that, there are the fans like me that think she is Buffy and don’t want someone else playing that character. A lot of fans would be down for a Faith series, which I’d totally watch and others want a new potential to take center stage. Then there are those who don’t want a new slayer, they want Felicia Day, who proved she could kick ass in the Dragon Age mini-series but is famous as herself making it hard for others to accept her as a character. So do make the comics into a movie or do you reboot and if so do you go historical pre-Buffy Slayer or Fray-esque Slayer?  Given that there is absolutely no way all the fans are gonna be happy, I can totally see why Joss is keeping his mouth shut on anything Buffy.

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    • evilito 2 months ago

      As the article points out, there’s a big degree of difference between the budgets for V Mars and Firefly. The previous Firefly movie cost in the ballpark of 40M. Even if they tried to make it at a substantially lower cost, they’d still be looking at somewhere around 20M? I dont see Kickstarter raising that kind of money. Regarding the studio profiting off this movie…Do they? I’d imagine they will get paid to distribute and market the film, but those are legitimate costs. I also imagine they’ll get some sort of backend for being the owners of the V Mars IP…I suppose I could see them gouging the producers for that, but I don’t know the details (obviously). It’s intriguing that this is taking place. Not sure yet that it’s a viable model, though.

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    • flviak 2 months ago

      I love Firefly as much as the next person. However, people should just let things go. How is Firefly gonna ask for funding for another season/movie? Joss already killed two major characters in Serenity. Besides, what studio would agree to produce/film/give extra fund after the flop that was the last movie? Firefly is AMAZING and has very passionate, great fans, but not MANY (just us nerds) - we are not profitable in the eyes of major companies. Let’s just face it: the whole Shinding (hu-hu, pun?) was great, but it is over. Lets just remember how great Firefly was and cherish it forever. They can’t take the sky from us, Browncoats, but our war is over.

    • Daver73 2 months ago

      Goddamnit, Joss. Make another movie or bring the show back. Firefly is like a girlfriend that left me and turned me into a psychotic stalker. PLEASE, baby! Just give me another chance! Also, now that I know that Fillion being on Castle is part of the problem, I will no longer be watching Castle in hopes that it contributes to a ratings slide and the show gets cancelled. I’m sorry, but it’s for the greater good. Plus, Mal needs to lose a little weight anyway. They’re clearly feeding him too richly at the craft service table on the Castle set.

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