12 Things We Already Know About "You" Season 5

    One last hurrah with friendly neighborhood serial killer Joe Goldberg.

    Evelina Zaragoza Medina
    by Evelina Zaragoza Medina

    BuzzFeed Staff

    Season 4 of Netflix's You delivered the show's biggest twist so far. 🚨BIG SPOILERS🚨 beyond this point. If you haven't seen parts 1 and 2 of Season 4, turn around now.

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    After revealing that Joe was the Eat the Rich Killer and had kidnapped Marienne, the season ended with Joe back in New York — with his original identity! — under the protection of Kate's fortune and resources.

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    How did Kate get her hands on this fortune? Joe murdered her dad! Fun (awful) fact: Joe's body count in Season 4 is almost as high as the first three seasons combined. I hate him.

    Thankfully, the show is returning for a fifth season. So, here's everything we know about it:

    1. Season 5 will be the show's last, wrapping up the story of Joe Goldberg once and for all.

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    2. It will indeed be set in NYC, which obviously brings us back full circle to where it all started.

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    Joe even has his own bookstore now, because good things happen to bad people.

    3. We can probably expect Season 5 sometime in 2024, even though it will very likely be delayed because of the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

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    So probably not early 2024.

    4. Co-creators Greg Berlanti and Sera Gamble agreed on the ending several years ago.

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    5. It's also the ending Penn Badgley wants for the show, even though his contract with Netflix was originally for six seasons.

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    Given Penn's vocal feelings about Joe, hopefully the ending involves some justice for that nasty little weasel (sorry to weasels).

    6. Sera Gamble won't be the showrunner for the final season. She'll be handing over the reins to co-executive producers Michael Foley and Justin Lo.

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    7. Penn Badgley will obviously be back as Joe, but Charlotte Ritchie will also return as Kate Galvin.

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    Unfortunately, we don't know if Ed Speleers will continue to appear on the show. That shot of "Rhys" in the final scene was promising, though, so check back here for an update.

    8. Gamble has said that any character "who's not dead" could return to the show at any point in the final episodes.

    "Any character who's not dead who knows anything about Joe, it's fair game to try to exert any justice," she said to People. 

    As for any characters who are dead? "[Joe] has a really active imagination."

    9. Penn Badgley himself teased the return of some familiar faces during Netflix's TUDUM event.

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    This isn't confirmation of their appearance, but here are all the characters who appear in the video: Marienne, Dr. Nicky, Karen (remember Karen??), Paco, Henry, Ellie, Sherry and Cary Conrad, Lady Phoebe, and Nadia.

    Jenna Ortega's Ellie was meant to return in Season 4, but the scheduling didn't work out because she was busy filming Wednesday. However, that does leave the door open for a potential return in Season 5...and the fact that she shows up in the video is certainly promising.

    Then there's all the people who thought Joe Goldberg was dead but now know he's alive thanks to his interview — that includes Love's parents, Sherry and Cary, Theo and Matthew Engler, and Ellie herself. 

    On the list of people who might want revenge against Joe you have Dr. Nicky, Marienne, and Nadia. Tati Gabrielle said that she'd love to see Marienne help get Nadia out of jail and bring Joe down.

    No matter who else shows up, what I want to see more than anything is Beck and Love continuing to torture Joe via hallucination.

    10. Season 5 will see Joe operating without guilt and with a ton of new resources thanks to Kate's money.

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    “He's a little bit different in that he doesn't maybe have the same level of almost guilt and justification going on, just honesty and acceptance of doing what he needs to do,” Gamble told BuzzFeed News. Greeeeeeeat, that's exactly what Joe needs: less guilt and more self-acceptance.

    11. We'll find out how much Joe actually told Kate about his real life and how complicit she is in covering up his crimes.

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    Speaking to BuzzFeed, Gamble said we shouldn't assume Kate knows everything Joe has done just because we heard him say he would tell her the truth. That man is a known liar, and the scene ended where it did for a reason! She definitely knows about Joe killing Love and Rhys Montrose, and she might have figured out that he killed her dad, but I highly doubt she knows about his penchant for locking women in cages. I would also be surprised if Joe told her that he's the real Eat the Rich Killer.

    12. Joe will obviously turn on Kate at some point in the new season.

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    Come on. This is what he does. We don't know when or why he'll stop loving Kate, but Joe's gonna be Joe. Unless he kills her first, but hopefully not!

    13. Finally, it's very likely we'll get an update on Henry.

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    Nobody from the show has confirmed this — although Penn Badgley hinted at it — but it seems impossible that the show would end without having Joe address the son he abandoned when he faked his death.

    What are your hopes for You Season 5? Do you want Joe to die painfully, or would you settle for a lifetime behind bars? Comment below!