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curtybd a month agoI wonder how many more lies here I can bust… Just about all of them.
“In God we trust” has appeared on most U.S. coins since 1864. http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/stories/LCSE5Af44XDhfQ8_3YpX_Q-small.jpg
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michaelb122 4 months agoSome spiritual food for thought this morning. Some say that the more you credit God with the things that science has not yet quantified, the smaller God will continue to become. I think that science reveals ever more places where God has reached out and touched existence. What if we actually chose the wrong God to worship, and as we approached Xanadu he looked at us with a raised eyebrow and waved us on down a side road with a dismissive gesture? Would it matter? We could just carry on down the road till we found a door where we were welcome. Good kind and moral people are welcome in most places. Atheists rely on faith to deny god because they can no more prove that God does not exist than the faithful can prove he does. This makes both the believers and the non believers equally dependent on faith as a mechanism to deal with reality. Atheists are actually quite buggered, because I can not see how one can deny the existence of something whose existence one is trying to dismiss. Believers find a certain perverse humor in the fact that god also created Athiests. Athiests are amused by the fact that believers would think that.
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Sean Curry 4 months ago> I think that science reveals ever more places where God has reached out and touched existence. If one looks at science as a way of revealing the secrets of the universe, and God being the cause of that universe, then this can work. In that point in the post, I was referring to people who try to say that the things science doesn’t understand yet can’t ever be understood by science, and are therefore solely the realm of the supernatural. > Good kind and moral people are welcome in most places. Agreed. > Atheists rely on faith to deny god because they can no more prove that God does not exist than the faithful can prove he does. There are people who claim that God does not exist for a fact. I think you’re correct in saying that claim requires faith as well, but I’d also say that the majority of atheists simply claim that they have not yet witnessed sufficient evidence to support the claim, “God definitely exists,” and are waiting for more evidence to be presented before making a definitive judgement. I am one of those people, but I believe that the existence of an intelligent, extra-dimensional creator being that has a personal interest in my specific life is highly unlikely. > Atheists are actually quite buggered, because I can not see how one can deny the existence of something whose existence one is trying to dismiss. Does denying the existence of unicorns bugger me as well?
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iamerickson 4 months agoQ: “Why do atheists celebrate Christmas?”
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stevenp17 4 months agoCarl Sagan had some kind of beliefs. I’m sorry to maybe disappoint you but, anyone who reads at least one of his books knows that. I’m not saying that his beliefs were of religious nature, just saying that he had SOME KIND of beliefs. Again, I don’t know that for sure, BUT I HAVE THEORIES ;)
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TheNads 4 months agoPlease see #9. The problem is there are Christians who want Christianity to benefit from public tax dollars (ten commandments and nativity scenes on federal land, creationism in public schools, etc.). I know there are reasonable Christians who support state/church separation, and it sounds like you’re one of them. You could help by explaining to your Christian friends why we object to these things.
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Kate T 4 months agoI am a Christian, and I have zero problem with people of other faiths, or people that don’t have a particular faith. Whatever floats your boat. I’m not going to sit here and try and convince you to believe in God or see it my way, but I sure as hell would appreciate the same degree of respect.
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TheNads 4 months ago
(Ugh, double post… replied to wrong comment above.) Please see #9. The problem is there are Christians who want Christianity to benefit from public tax dollars (ten commandments and nativity scenes on federal land, creationism in public schools, etc.). I know there are reasonable Christians who support state/church separation, and it sounds like you’re one of them. You could help by explaining to your Christian friends why we object to these things.
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leeters 3 months agoThe problem lies with people on either end of the spectrum of belief. I’ve come across rabid Christians and rabid atheists. They’re both bad. Let’s just not pretend that they can all be painted with the same brush. They can’t and they shouldn’t. I am an atheist and many of my friends happen to be as well. None of us are disrespectful.
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Jessica Myers-White 4 months ago#6 is the one I am most asked but I don’t believe any of the askers were psychopaths like this guy.
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Broomhilda 4 months ago
I am an atheist, and have been for more than ten years. I am tired of the worst of the worst of the fundies being picked out as examples of all of Christianity. You don’t hear about the reasonable Christians because they’re quiet and live their faith through their acts and whatever personal worship rites they choose to have.
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tylern5 4 months agoAs a theist I actually find this to be a very fair list of questions…however…
Numbers 14 is a little misleading in reference to the claims that are addressed by number 6.
It is still a declaration of faith to identify with any assertion about religious belief. Whether you believe or disbelieve in a good the key is that it is just that a belief. These claims that there is more “proof” that god does not exist is merely another subjective interpretation of evidence and is still entirely a non-scientific observation. Number 6 could even be used as evidence to support my point. If we assume there is no God or supernatural force. The nature of existence then being nihilistic means that any attempts at morality as a pragmatic pursuit or as an idealistic one is entirely in vain. To continue to pursue a moral system regardless of what it might be is entirely without a point. If you pursue morality still then you are doing so entirely out of faith in the idea, not logical confirmation
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Sean Curry 4 months ago
My personal definition of “atheism”, and what I think many other atheists’ definition to be, is that we do not believe in God. That’s not to say that we believe God does not exist, rather that we have not witnessed sufficient evidence yet in our experience to justify believing such a claim as “God exists”. It takes no faith at all to say, “I have not seen enough evidence to justify believing Claim X to be true, and see no reason to make a definitive statement about its truth one way or the other.” Regarding your point about morality: I would also say that I haven’t seen sufficient evidence yet to claim that there is an inherent “morality” to existence that exists outside of humanity’s perception of it, and so I make no claim about its existence one way or the other. That said, I believe that humans are capable enough at this point in their evolution to define what they collectively expect from each other regarding their shared moral standards. I think that’s the closest we’re going to get to a definite morality.
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matts82 4 months agoI think what you describe is agnosticism, not atheism. If you simply claim the existence and will of god cannot be shown, then you are an agnostic, perhaps a social pragmatist. You may say, “well, that’s just semantics”… but what a world of difference it is between those 2 words. The word atheist conjures up a whole set of other inflammatory connotations, namely the hubris to claim you somehow have enough knowledge to state there is no god. It provides religious fundamentalists a valid objection to your belief system, thus invalidating the otherwise good points you have to make. The question for any atheist/agnostic to answer is this: do you truly disbelieve that there is any type of intelligence is behind existence, or are you just objectionable to the popular conceptions of god as presented in traditional religions? I agree that the belief that there is a divine force who plays in the hand of human affairs, listens to prayers, is “testing” us for passage into some unforeseen afterlife, and is somehow particularly interested in human morality is a naive and dangerous philosophy. But even a firm believer in science, like myself, must ask the questions: what precipitated the big bang? what created the laws of physics? what is this thing I call awareness? how does any of this exist at all? To say it just “is” without recognizing the magic and mystery of this is-ness, without at least accepting some sense of wonderment when considering it’s fundamental source, is as simple minded as organized religion… you are ignoring the great mystery. Now it is perfectly reasonable to think that we can never be privy to the answers to those questions, that perhaps they are pointless and counterproductive to dwell upon, and that we will never have a personal relationship with or understanding of whatever lies behind it all. It is perfectly reasonable to think that morality and our future are our responsibility and not in the hands of a divine force that is somehow communicating with us. It is reasonable to find the dogmas and rituals of organized religion a bunch of superstitious, self-serving, socially stifling garbage. But to declare an outright statement that God does not exist seems a bit bold in the face of existence itself, in the complexity and wonder that appears before your eyes in every moment.
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Sean Curry 4 months ago
I think you are confusing the definition of “atheism”. > I think what you describe is agnosticism, not atheism. The words are not mutually exclusive. I’d say I’m an agnostic atheist: there is no way to know, but there probably isn’t an intelligent, extra-dimensional creator God/being. Anyone who says that there is definitely a way to know that there is no God for a fact would be a gnostic atheist. Anyone who claims there is a way to know for a fact that there definitely is a God is a gnostic theist. This chart [http://reason-being.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/chart.png] helps explain this idea better. > The word atheist conjures up a whole set of other inflammatory connotations, namely the hubris to claim you somehow have enough knowledge to state there is no god. It provides religious fundamentalists a valid objection to your belief system, thus invalidating the otherwise good points you have to make. Atheism is not a “belief system”. It’s a statement that I have not yet been convinced of the veracity of the claim, “God definitely exists.” > The question for any atheist/agnostic to answer is this: [A] do you truly disbelieve that there is any type of intelligence is behind existence, or [B] are you just objectionable to the popular conceptions of god as presented in traditional religions? I am definitely [B]- no organized religion in recorded history has presented an idea of what “god” would be that holds up to any kind of scrutiny or logical testing. In regards to [A], I am stating that I have no idea. It’s certainly possible, but no evidence presented yet has been strong enough to make me believe one way or the other for sure. That said, I think that the existence of a sentient intelligent being — in the way that humans have come to understand “sentient intelligent beings” — outside of this reality that is responsible for its creation and maintenance is highly unlikely. Could this reality have a higher meaning? Could there be something that exists outside of it? There could be, but sufficient proof has not been provided yet to support those claims. > But to declare an outright statement that God does not exist seems a bit bold in the face of existence itself, in the complexity and wonder that appears before your eyes in every moment. I am not saying, nor did I say at any point in this post, that God does not exist. I lack a belief that he does.
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matts82 4 months ago
I appreciate you writing back. I always enjoy a discussion. I was in no way trying to deconstruct or criticize your post which is a brilliant retort to closed minded religious zealots. I was just offering some other thoughts perhaps muddled by argument about word definitions… > Could there be something that exists outside of it (this reality)? I am not asking you to look outside of it, or believe in some “man behind the curtain” that we will never see. In my opinion, you don’t need to look behind the curtain, if there even is a curtain. All I am asking you to do is ponder the very fact that physical reality even exists, and that you exist to observe it. Ignoring its unbelievable complexity and beauty, just the fact that it ‘is’ should give deep pause. I do not, like religions (or in some cases science), pretend to understand its origins or purpose. I simply cannot deny the absolute mystifying fact of its existence. Does it prove there is a ‘god’? Well, I guess that depends on your definition of god. If you want to limit god to some unseen and separate creator that birthed out the universe, then no, its not proof. But at least consider the idea of the ‘universe’ as a living organism, call it what you will.
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LaurenBailey 4 months ago
I totally agree with this article. I wish more people would get a clue
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Sean Curry 4 months ago
But to come out about your disbelief helps us all drum up sympathizers!
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