@Bob White Oh good lord Bob. Even using that analogy is awful!  You still need to use a toothbrush and toothpaste. You CAN use a twig but you choose not to because someone has gone to all the trouble of designing and manufacturing a toothbrush which is far more efficient.  Yes, you're quite right, the HDD is yours and all the 1's and 0's on it but arranging them in a particular order is something that you either haven't the time or the skill to perform yourself and so have to rely upon other people to do it for you. At what point did it become acceptable for you to use up other people's time and expertise and do it for free? Get a job and and refuse to be paid for it and then I'll take your comments seriously. Obie