Poor Tippers Need To Understand Reality
A waitress from Indianapolis laid it all out for us in black and white.
5. And then came THIS:
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victorialillianl 2 months agoSorry jobs are a choice. And you don’t have to work at a restaurant. You can work at your college or anywhere else to avoid that horrible wage. It makes me order online takeout to avoid obligatory tips or fake people who smile for my change. I only tip when someone is genuine and attentive. Not just because their livelihood depends on it. If that we’re the case I’d tip every janitor, bus driver, teacher, or cop.
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feistychick 2 months ago“I only tip when someone is genuine and attentive.”
I agree with that, but not with your first sentence. There aren’t a lot of job opportunities in colleges, but there are way more job opportunities for college students at restaurants or retail stores. So yes, for a lot of people, they have to work at these places, otherwise they’ll be impoverished. -
grrigiveup 2 months ago“Not just because their livelihood depends on it. If that we’re the case I’d tip every janitor, bus driver, teacher, or cop.” You’re an idiot. The livelihood of a janitor, bus driver, teacher or cop is not dependent upon tips. They make at least minimum wage. How can you even make that comparison?
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grrigiveup 2 months ago
The waiters are not “taking it out” on all of their customers. They’re taking it out on the people who don’t tip them despite the good service. How does that defeat the purpose of the tip?
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juanorfrankie 2 months agoanyways you don’t like your job then go look for another job! at least appreciate that you have job!
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Matt U. 2 months agoI’m glad I live in a country without tipping. I hate going into the restaurant back home, looking at the price then adding tax and tip. It’s annoying and the servers don’t always get the amount they need to survive. Also to those who say that quality of service will decrease, that’s crap. If the restaurant hires the right people then you’ll get good service. Where I live, everyone gets good service. You may have to wave your hand to get the server’s attention, but that is not that hard.
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lisac53 2 months agoNot all US states have tip credit, which is what Courtney is refering to. The tips she earns legally has to raise her hourly wage from $2.13 to the Fed or State min wage, whichever is higher. That said, in a state like CA, you can make more as a waiter, min wage ($8.00 plus tips). In a tip credit state like IN (Florida is another), tipping is extra necessary.
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deaddrift 2 months agoBoy do I get sick of the numbnuts saying “go get another job.” Hey jackass, people like to eat out, therefore we need servers. People like to shit in the can and sometimes it clogs up, therefore we need janitors. People like to be able to go to their own jobs without dragging their toddler along, therefore we need childcare providers. Wake up. WE NEED THESE PEOPLE. If they quit and get another job we’ll just need somebody else to take their place. Denying them a true living wage is unjustifiable on any level. Go suck a dick.
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A.Leigh 2 months agoEXACTLY. Every time I hear someone say something like “if you don’t like working for tips, get another job,” all I can think is…do YOU eat at restaurants? Because if you do, then you are relying on the fact that the restaurant employees people to serve your food. If every server in the country went and got another job (because you told them to, remember?), you would not be able to eat at a restaurant, because there’d be no one to get your food. So if it bothers YOU that they don’t like working for tips, maybe you should stop going to restaurants. In some ways, the lowest paying jobs (like servers and janitors) are the most important ones in our society. They don’t have much in the way of qualifications (which is not to say they’re easy work; many such jobs are incredibly demanding), and they lack prestige, but they are ESSENTIAL for our society to work the way it does. Just imagine a hospital trying to function with no janitors, secretaries, nurse’s aides, dishwashers, food servers, laundry people, etc. Would you want to go to that hospital if you were sick? There’s not a single part of modern, Western society I can think of that wouldn’t have to drastically change (at best) if no one had the sort of jobs so many people seem to look down on. Many parts wouldn’t be possible at all. So no, “get another job” is not really a solution to the problem, because SOMEONE has to do that job.
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juanorfrankie 2 months ago
there’s bars that hire people who work for tips and they complain about that, first of all why do you go work at a place where you’re practically working for free and continue to complain? leave there and go find another job and don’t give me some excuse about I can’t find another job! these people who say can’t find another job is because they’re not looking for one! I’ve never been unemployed for reasons of looking for work and whoever I found a place hiring I got hired !
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jbaumann035 2 months ago
Are you kidding? Just because YOU have managed to have a job doesn’t mean it’s easy for someone to quit their job and go find another one. Take, for example, many college students (who make up a large portion of the serving job force). They’re taking full class loads and working. When do you suggest they go looking for other jobs? Should they quit the job they have—which affords them the flexibility of scheduling around school stuff, which isn’t true for many industries—on the off-chance that they’ll find another job? Again, just because YOU had success finding another job doesn’t mean everyone does. It’s a logical fallacy to assume that just because you found a job means everyone can, or just because someone hasn’t gotten one they must not be trying to.
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JordanK47 2 months ago
This. Searching for a job is itself a full time job. I both work and go to school full time, I don’t have the time to invest in a job search. I can’t quit my job in order to search for a new one. As for people who are not in school but working in low paying jobs in the service industry, there’s the similar issue of just not having the time or means to look for a new job. With the current job market, people are also more likely to be grateful to just *have* a job.
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juanorfrankie 2 months ago
oh and who gets paid $2 an hr? where the hell do you live? I was a busser and was paid $7.50 an hour plus the tips I made I don’t get it this lady server was working in middle earth?
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jbaumann035 2 months ago
Every serving job I’ve ever had I was paid $2.13/hour. As a busser, I made minimum wage plus my tips (that came from my servers, from their tips). Bussing and serving pay in very different ways.
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jessicat25 2 months agoMost bussers/dishwashers/cooks make far, far more than the servers do. That’s normal.
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juanorfrankie 2 months ago
I worked in the airline industry as a baggage handler and I started at $10 an hour and busted my ass everyday way more than a server and I worked as a busboy at one point, I still don’t understand why in society do we have to tip these people in this work area and not these people in this other work area Steve Buscemi said it best, don’t like it go find another job or go to school or better yet don’t complain!! too bad if you’re stuck at this job I’m not an asshole I’m being reall and I usually tip more than the average person!
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jbaumann035 2 months ago
Seriously, what is it with this view that servers could just waltz about and get another job? It’s not always that simple. Plus, how do you know you work harder than a server? I used to be a server and I came home exhausted every night because I was scrambling around so much.
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Baldwinrain13 2 months ago
CLEARLY, you are FAR SUPERIOR to all us mere mortals who have to WORK crappy jobs to pay for our basic existence. I’m SO GLAD people like you,who have the *privilege* of tipping high when they deem other people worthy, grace us with your presence! You are clearly completely clueless and you can’t see past your privilege. If you aren’t willing to pay for labor, don’t ask someone else to do it. Stay home, cook for yourself, and use your “higher than average” tip money to buy yourself a class on etiquette. Make room at the tables for those of us who *actually* tip our servers, because even when the service isn’t stellar, no one can afford to work for free.
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A.Leigh 2 months ago
Wait, so you don’t understand why you would tip a waitress making $2.13 an hour and not a baggage handler making $10 an hour? Is that what you’re trying to say? One is less than a third of minimum wage and the other is well above minimum wage. It’s not that complicated. And your options for servers are 1. find another job, 2. go to school, or 3. don’t complain. Let’s start with #2. Many servers ARE in school. In my experience, it’s usually high school, college, or grad school students. There are many who aren’t, yes, but a lot of them are either working to pay for school in the future, or have a degree but can’t get a job in their field. (Some have, for whatever reason, decided not to go to school, but those are the people you think you’re talking about, so that’s not the point right now.) Those who are currently in school obviously don’t benefit from your “advice.” Those who are working to pay for school need the job you think they should quit in order to do so. And those who have a degree and can’t get a job with it, well, they need whatever job they can get (as do those without a degree). As for “find another job,” it’s not that easy. There are only so many jobs available, and an even smaller percentage that any given person qualifies for. And what about people working in small town restaurants? Where I grew up, if you didn’t want to travel 20+ miles to work (one way) each day, your options were 1. restaurant, 2. grocery store, 3. bar, 4. nursing home, 5. bank, 6. medical center. That’s it. The first 3 1/2 of those are unskilled positions (including all but the medical people at the nursing home), and the rest require specific higher level degrees. Take your pick, or drive an hour or more every day, even in the winter when there’s 5 feet of snow on the ground. Have fun. I won’t even touch “don’t complain.”
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Brandi Brock 2 months agoTry one night waiting tables during a dinner rush at a popular restaurant and you’ll change your story. And when throwing luggage did you have to deal with bitchy people, screaming children, irritable, insane cooks, and messes beyond belief? I think not. Don’t assume one job in harder than another unless you have worked both jobs.
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marys27 2 months agoThe reality is, the minimum wage for people in that industry needs to be raised. I’m not sure how the economy is going to get any better if the people who already can’t afford to eat out are peer pressured into tipping just to subsidize someone else’s paycheque. The pressure shouldn’t be on your fellow middle/lower class, but the people that control how much you make salary wise. I tip 20% almost always if I have great service, but I find it stupid that if I decide to pick an expensive steak, or a cheap salad, my food choices are what dictate your income. The system is fucked up, and it needs to change. We need to stop blaming each other for this and servers should be treated equal in salary.
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emilybargmanb 2 months agoYour attitude is the part of the problem. When you make the choice to eat out, you are assuming the costs of the service. What YOU decide to eat does, absolutely, impact the amount of your bill. I find it ridiculous that you think it ridiculous that items you pick from the menu shouldn’t dictate someone else’s income. That’s how it works! That is part of the expense of eating out! If one cannot afford the costs of eating out, including a customary tip for proper service, BASED on the amount of the bill, that person should stay home.
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A.Leigh 2 months ago
Emily, I’m not sure you understood the point they’re trying to make. I understand that (as American society currently stands), when you go out to eat, you (should) know full well that you’ll be paying for the services provided on top of the price of your meal. We, as a society, have accepted that. And we also accept that the customary amount is 15-20% of the bill (previously 15% was great, but it seems it’s starting to move towards “offensively low” over the past few years, depending on where you live). That’s all well and good, but if you actually think about it logistically, it doesn’t make sense that the server gets tipped more if you order filet mignon than if you order a salad. The server isn’t the one making the food (the person doing that is actually getting paid properly). The server takes your order, brings you your food, refills your drinks, takes your check, and generally makes sure your meal goes smoothly. They SHOULD be compensated for the effort they put in, but the fact is, they do the exact same amount of work regardless of what you have to eat (assuming we’re talking entree price vs entree price, not single food vs 4 course meal). In general, though, it’s not really a big deal. It’s not anything worth complaining about, because prices are usually relatively consistent across the menu. Most of the appetizers, for instance, will be within a few dollars of each other, so it makes little difference in the size of the tip whether you order cheese sticks or spinach dip. But it IS an odd quirk that your filet mignon acts like a bonus for your server, even though they do nothing more than they would have if you’d order something cheaper. Though it IS incentive for them to upsell, so it makes sense from the restaurant’s perspective.
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Sonik 2 months ago
I start with a stack of toonies ($2 Canadian coin) at the centre of the table.
Usually about $20 worth. Every time service is not good during my visit, I remove 1 coin and put it back in my pocket. As soon as they catch on and see that stack is getting smaller and smaller, lemme tell you how fast the service improves.
This woman has every right to complain, However poor service should not be rewarded at all.
If i receive terrible service, the tip reflects it and in some cases if the service is truly terrible i will not leave a tip.
If these servers know that they make $2.13/hour, and they know that most of that will be gone after the man fucks us. It should actually motivate them to provide amazing service to the patrons attending the restaurant.
Some people are just cheap and dont tip if the service was great or not. But most people are tippers and tip according to the service they receive.
I also notice that a lot people just round up to the nearest $5 or $10 - mollya3 thinks Poor Tippers Need To Understand Reality is Win
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delicious kiwis 2 months agoi feel like the backlash from this needs to start being aimed at the restaurant businesses that are allowed to have people work for nothing, while they profit off of it, instead of the people who have to both pay for a meal and the wages of the employees. before i get chased after with torches and pitchforks, i am not condoning the act of being a poor tipper. im just saying that the reason poor tippers cause so much anger because the servers get paychecks of zero and get paid nothing for their work. shouldnt we start looking at the establishments who are causing this? they rely on their own customers to pay their employees for them while we also buy their food, and somehow this is supposed to be acceptable.
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jbaumann035 2 months ago
I think some part of it has to do with restaurant overhead. I’m not an expert so I don’t know, but I believe the argument is that if servers were paid a flat rate, food costs would go up because restaurants would have to charge way more per meal. I worked at a small single-location restaurant for a long time, and I know that the overhead was incredibly high; after all bills (for the restaurant) are paid, most restaurant owners only take in about 2 cents profit per dollar brought in. That includes only paying servers $2.13/hour. Also, consider this: if servers got a flat rate no matter what, I suspect they wouldn’t be very concerned with getting you your food super fast and being friendly and kind. As a former server, most of the time my nice (and when necessary apologetic) attitude was purely because I needed to keep my guests happy in order to (hopefully) get a decent tip.
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stewartw 2 months agoThat is literally the worst system I have ever heard of. “Pay your employees pennies, and they’ll have to work harder to be given more money out of the goodness of our customers’ hearts!” Times like this I thank god minimum wage in the UK is £6.19. And that number is cannot be made up with tips. We also tip fairly, in response to the service given, so don’t try and make me feel like an asshole when I don’t tip a shitty server, instead try and improve your shitty system.
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jbaumann035 2 months ago
That’s not really what I’m saying or mean to say. Let me try again. When I used to wait on people who were incredibly rude or tried to complain about something for which they had no right to do so, I always had to be exceptionally nice and continue to work as hard as humanly possible because I still wanted a tip. If I didn’t have to worry about tips, to be honest I’d probably just not be particularly nice to them. I wouldn’t be mean, but I’d be a whole lot less concerned that they had a satisfactory experience, because my pay wouldn’t be on the line. Think about it: on the whole, people working in retail or fast food restaurants—who have a set pay, essentially regardless of their attitude or excitement over their job—are hardly ever as chipper and friendly as servers trying to woo guests into giving them a good tip. Would I still do my job if I didn’t need tips? Of course. Would I still be nice? Sure. But I wouldn’t exhaust myself nearly as much just for the sake of making the guest experience superb.
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