Pedophilia Documentarian: "Eighteen Is Just A Number"
The documentary Are All Men Pedophiles? argues that we should be more accepting of sex between teenagers and adults. Unsurprisingly, not everyone agrees.
The model in the above poster for Are All Men Pedophiles? is 14 years old. Dutch director Jan-Willem Breure says he chose such a young girl on purpose “to confront people with the issue.” “For the general guy,” he says, “she is attractive. But the next question is, if you find her attractive, is that or is that not pedophilia?” It’s a provocative question, and while the response is unorthodox — and may be inaccurate — that hasn’t kept the film from the minor festival circuit.
According to the documentary, released this year and already screened at several festivals, the answer is yes and no. Specifically, the film advances the claim (with the help of guest experts like a neuroscientist, a psychologist, and a model scout) that all men are “hebephiles” — that is, attracted to teenagers. It argues that we need to make a distinction between hebephiles and true pedophiles, who are attracted to prepubescent children. The film also claims that a variety of cultures — it mentions everything from ancient Greece to the Lolita community in modern-day Japan — have accepted sex between adults and teenagers, and implies that maybe everyone else should, too. It closes with the line “eighteen is just a number.” Are All Men Pedophiles? jumps from graphic descriptions of child sexual abuse (a victim tells her harrowing story of being raped by her father) to suggestions that teen-adult sex really isn’t so bad.
A discussion of pedophilia and hebephilia (which the film spells “hebophilia”) from Are All Men Pedophiles?
Breure, who is 23 and bankrolled the film entirely himself, said it was inspired by his own attraction to teenagers: recently, he said, he’d come to realize that he was attracted to girls as young as 15. He wanted to explore whether this attraction was truly pedophilia. Making the movie, he said, taught him that “there is a difference between the public definition and the real definition of pedophilia” — the public definition includes attraction to teens, while the “real” definition excludes this. He hopes that the film will teach everyone the difference between pedophilia and hebephilia, and perhaps lessen the “media hype” around pedophilia, which he says has made fathers fear showing affection for their own children.
Making the project more confusing is Breure’s lack of a clear political agenda. Sex between teens and adults is illegal (at least for teens under 16) in both the US and the Netherlands, but the filmmaker is circumspect about whether Western countries should rethink their age-of-consent laws.
Breure appreciates that such laws encourage teenagers to finish school before they reproduce but says his ideal would be public policy that prevented teen pregnancy while acknowledging that “sex is a natural thing.” In fact, many might argue that the Netherlands, where Breure lives, already has such a policy: sociologist Amy Schalet made a splash last year with her book on the country’s permissive attitude to teen sex, coupled with readily available birth control and sex education.
When I asked Breure if he thought it should be legal for an adult to have sex with a teenager, he said that as long as the sex is consensual, “I don’t look at ages.”
Breure mentions the Lolita community — adult women who dress in a Victorian, girlish style — in the film as evidence that hebephilia has broad acceptance, but this assertion doesn’t sit well with Lolita enthusiasts themselves. A Change.org petition argues that the community is really about fashion and self-expression, not about sex or making grown women look like actual children. The petition also says the film is “causing a massive harm to the Lolita community, leading people who [do] not know the movement to think that it’s about sex.”
A Lolita enthusiast on Tumblr, who goes by Rox, makes a more specific allegation regarding a poster for the film. She claims that the model in the poster was tricked into believing she was posing for a Japanese fashion photo shoot, not a promotional image for a movie about pedophiles. Breure says that’s completely false, and that the model in question signed a release in which the title of the film was clearly specified. The model has not responded to a request for comment.
Trailer for Are All Men Pedophiles?
Breure’s ideas may also conflict with the current thinking in psychology. While he claims that his distinction between pedophilia and hebephilia is firmly rooted in the psychological literature, psychologist Michael Seto, author of Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children: Theory, Assessment, and Intervention, disagrees. “Hebephilia,” he explains, “is clinically and scientifically defined as a sexual attraction to PUBESCENT children, i.e., kids who are showing some signs of pubertal development but who are still clearly physically immature.” Hebephilia does not include sexual attraction to older teenagers who look physically mature, or to anyone who looks 16 or above.
Thus, he explains, all men are most definitely not hebephiles — most men aren’t attracted to pubescent teens. “Many men are sexually attracted to older teens,” he says, “but not as much as they are sexually attracted to young adults.” He cites studies showing that on average, both straight and gay men show more sexual response to photos of adults than to photos of older teens.
Seto also notes that even if an older teen consents to sex with an adult, such sex can be harmful for teenagers: “they are less cognitively, emotionally, and socially developed, on average, compared to the adult, so the teens can be at risk of exploitation or manipulation.” He adds that “the benefits of these kinds of relationships are obvious for the adult, but uncertain for the teen. To me, this imbalance justifies some legal and social prohibitions of adult-teen sex, even if the teen consents.”
Sociologist Sarah Goode, author of Understanding and Addressing Adult Sexual Attraction to Children says that while it’s “pretty normal” for men to be attracted to teenagers, it’s by no means universal. She also says that adults’ attractions aren’t necessarily a good guide for setting the age of consent, adding “it is of course men such as the director Roman Polanski who argue that ‘all men’ want to have sex with teenage girls, in order to normalise the fact that he himself wanted to (and did).” And no matter where we set this age, some people will always want it to be younger: “I have met men who are sexually attracted to babies. Should we therefore argue that ‘babies should have the legal right to consent to sex with adults’?”
Are All Men Pedophiles? will soon screen at Poland’s Transatlantyk Festival, and Breure says the director of programming of the Heartland Film Festival in Indianapolis has been enthusiastic about it. Heartland Festival artistic director Tim Irwin told me the film was indeed under consideration (with the less-inflammatory title Crossing Borders), but that he hadn’t actually seen it yet. Breure’s next film, he says, will be about incest.
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russells4 11 months agoAmericans are weird with this stuff. It’s like if there’s a hot 17 year old and somebody notices she’s attractive he’s a “pedophile”, but as soon as they turn 18 it’s suddenly fine, and acceptable to lust after them. “Barely legal” pornography is big, so girls on the cusp of legality are obviously sexually attractive to many men. In this instance, age really is just a number. Personally I see no problem with physical attraction to mid to late teenagers, it’s biology. It is a maturity issue really, how many teens make good decisions? Yet at the time it should be their decision, and their mistake to make.
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Maticula a year agoNot to be a pedant, but far too many people making comments here clearly didn’t bother to read past the title of the article. Pedophilia = *PRE*pubescent - not a teenager
Hebephilia, as clarified in the article too many people didn’t read, is attraction to those in the *early stages of puberty* (11-14 years old) Attaction to a 16 or 17 year old is NOT pediphilia unless you’re an idiot that doesn’t know what that word means. Attraction to someone as young as 12 or 13 isn’t even pedophilia, even if it is wrong (which is a separate argument). So perhaps those of you who don’t know what you’re talking about scroll back up and read the article, look up the words you don’t know, and quit rounding up every pervert or scumbag with a “too young” girlfriend to “pedophile.” Frankly, overusing the word just makes it lose its impact on those terrible occasions when it *is* applicable. -
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reptarjr a year agoYou know, it’s also women too. Back when I was in high school we had neighbors that were in the military. They had just had a child and the husband was sent over to Iraq for the war (Iraqi Freedom). Since he was absent from the house I would help his wife with simple tasks like mowing the lawn and helping fix things. Eventually she started getting “extra friendly” with me beyond the thanks and few bucks I’d earn. Now, I could be telling you an awesome story about how I lost my virginity to the next door neighbor but, it didn’t happen only because, I was an awkward kid and with all the empty trojan wrappers on her lawn in the morning, it seemed as though she was already being taken care of. Now, I’m 24, and besides the mustache that finally decided to grow out, I look pretty much the same since then, just a “touch” more aged.Teenagers these days are maturing quickly, and it’s gotten to the point where I’ve been approached by teen girls that thought I was their age. Sometimes I would tell them I’m too old and other times, I would just “go with it” to see how oblivious they are. Teens may be sexually maturing faster but many aren’t mentally mature enough. I don’t find myself sexually attracted to women younger than 20 mainly because they just look like awkward kids to me. At a psychological aspect, I think it’s just the desire to feel young again that makes one attracted to a younger person. After all, I was just a helpful teen and my neighbor was a lonely 27 year old woman who just had her first baby. I assume she felt as though her younger years were slipping away and wanted to feel young again. Or I could have missed out on a hell of a story to tell you all.
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kyrski a year agophysical maturation does not stand equal to emotional or mental maturation. just because a sixteen year old girl has a nice body and pretty face and is having sex, does not mean she fully understands the emotional and mental complexities that accompany it. the same is definitely true for teenage boys.
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anonymouse a year agoI think a pedo is determined by the action, not the thought. It’s one thing to think someone is beautiful regardless of age, but to actively seek out some one who is under the legal adult age is where the problem begins. Someone is looking for justification to rob the cradle
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Jmac a year agoThe “18 is just a number” thing is right. That’s just a mandatory line in the sand that society drew however long ago. Most people are sexually mature by 16 or even 15 but that doesn’t correlate with emotional and mental maturity, most people don;t reach that stage until their early 20’s. So it really comes down to the individual, you can’t make a blanket judgement about whether or not someone is old enough to have sex with.
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Jesse B. a year agoI want to be clear, at the bottom of “Sociologist Sarah Goode” is making quite possibly the worst argument ever. She says, “I have met men who are sexually attracted to babies. Should we therefore argue that ‘babies should have the legal right to consent to sex with adults’?”. This is known as the Slippery Slope Fallicy, where “Arguments falsely assume that one thing must lead to another.”
Here’s how it goes:
(1) If you buy a Green Day album, then next you’ll be buying Buzzcocks albums, and before you know it you’ll be a punk with green hair and everything.
(2) You don’t want to become a punk.
Therefore:
(3) You shouldn’t buy a Green Day album. This is argument is most commonly used by those who rejected interracial marriage, and same sex marriage. “If two men can marry, what’s next, people marrying their dogs?! In essence, watch out for people making flawed and distracting arguments, sick people being attracted to babies is not what is being argued, the argument is wether the age of consent should of should not be lowered. (exhale) -
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a short haired girl a year agoi always thought pedophilia was the sexual attraction to prepubescent minors. some young teens look a lot older than their age sometimes, especially when they’re not acting or dressing their age. however, simply finding a 15 or 16 year old attractive isn’t an issue. i think if you have a sexual preoccupation with a younger age group, there is a problem.
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k94 a year agoI’ve always considered pedophilia, hebephilia, and ephebophilia, etc. to be when the person actively seeks out and prefers people of that age. If you don’t know what age they are, then I wouldn’t consider the person to be a pedophile. If they had sex with the person, they would be guilty of statutory rape, but that doesn’t make the person a pedophile. If, however, the person actively seeks them out because they are underage, ignoring individuals above the age of consent and preferring underage, then I would consider them to be a pedophile, ephebophile, etc. So, in other words, I try to pay more attention to the medical definition than the public definition.
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Sarah C. a year agoWell, if the person LOOKS and ACTS adult, then I guess it’s different. It’s really hard to tell sometimes. I have a friends in her 30’s and a lot of people think she’s a teenager. And when I was 14, people tought I was 18 or more. So my point I guess is that thee are no definite answers when it comes to finding teenagers attractive. But little kids, then it’s definitly a nasty perversion. Those guys should get their balls cut off.
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