Amber Rose Versus Joseline Hernandez's Controversial Race Discussion — Here's What I Think, As A Biracial Person

    This a real humdinger, for real.

    ICYMI: Earlier this month, Amber Rose and Joseline Hernandez got into a heated altercation surrounding the topic of race and identity, during one of the most recent episodes of College Hill: Celebrity Edition.

    Amber Rose vs. Joseline Hernandez 🔥 #CollegeHillCelebrityEdition pic.twitter.com/oW9ASUq6th

    — Reality Cvnt ✨ (@RealityCvnt) June 8, 2023
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    For those who don't know, Amber is a model and activist with a biracial mother (half Black Cape Verdean, half Scottish) and a white father (Italian and Irish).

    Closeup of Amber Rose

    And Joseline Hernandez, also known as the "Puerto Rican Princess," is a reality TV personality and rapper from VH1's Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta. She is Afro-Latina.

    Closeup of Joseline Hernandez

    People all over the internet had A LOT to say about their fight:

    Some were Team Joseline:

    It’s crazy how right joseline is 😭😭 amber rose eats up having black features but deff would rather be a fully white women https://t.co/48VsSF9MaL

    — 🇹🇹🦄🇹🇹 (@trinidadtylah) June 9, 2023
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    I hate to say it but I hope Joseline won. Amber spent 75% of her career selling a “I’m black” fantasy and now she wants to be reserved on the topic. https://t.co/GW4gqx2thi

    — YR (@YelhsamiiH) June 8, 2023
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    While others were team Amber:

    amber is a mixed woman, even her mom is mixed lol why y’all forcing blackness on her 😂 https://t.co/lhmJWQghGe

    — kj (@thekonyjen) June 8, 2023
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    Some were Team Neither:

    Fuck the fight. S/o to New York for the new meme. Too unserious!! 😂😂 https://t.co/bO6HMfhELX pic.twitter.com/fEYIG3W9Gw

    — Your mom’s favorite. 💁🏾‍♂️ (@MrBlkAndLit) June 9, 2023
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    But here are my thoughts: First, I noticed people claiming that Joseline is not Black. I would like to issue a reminder about the African diaspora. Africans were not only bought and sold in what we now call the United States, but ALL OVER the world. This means there are Black people ALL ACROSS the Americas, which includes Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico was colonized by the Spanish, and this is why we have Afro-Latinos such as Joseline.

    Explanation of the Atlantic slave trade. Arrows from Western Africa leading to what we know now as North America, Central America, and South America.

    I am a biracial person who identifies as Black. I have a Black mother (not biracial) and a white father.

    The author with her mother and father

    The argument between Joseline and Amber infuriated me, and I'll tell you why. Amber, and any other person, is allowed to identify however they please. BUT Amber has built her entire career off of support and praise by the Black community. I mean, College Hill is literally on BET.

    I also took issue with Amber saying, "I don’t fit in white spaces, and I don’t fit in Black spaces either. If I were to say something that is not appealing to a Black person, I would then be white in that moment." She also said that this situation also occurs in the reverse.

    Closeup of Amber Rose

    joselines right. amber saying she doesn’t fit in black spaces feels disingenuous because her entire career was built in black spaces and off the backs of black people https://t.co/Xzhs7SAZkA

    — zachariah (@airtightangelic) June 8, 2023
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    The word "disingenuous" I believe describes it perfectly.

    THAT, in my opinion, is what Amber should've been called out for. Instead, Joseline took it upon herself to decide Amber's identity when Amber was repeatedly asking her not to. Also, for her to say, "I don't give a fuck about how you feel" when it comes to someone else's identity is just incredibly disrespectful. This is what I take issue with when it comes to Joseline.

    Closeup of Joseline Hernandez

    At the end of the day, mixed people come in various shades and backgrounds. The experience is not monolithic, because each lived experience is different.

    Was Joseline’s delivery wrong: YES
    Was Joseline’s message wrong: NO
    Does Amber have the right to identify how she was: YES
    Do I think Amber wants to be black: NO
    Why Amber continue to centering her whiteness while being a student at a HBCU?: Idk #CollegeHillCelebrityEdition https://t.co/95mwUTRAO8

    — Timothy Quinn (@TIMtation24) June 9, 2023
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    And I think the teacher who spoke at the end of the class summed it up best: "We are not here to attack any student, especially a student's identity. And I want you all to understand that race is a made-up category. It's a made-up thing that has been used to manipulate and control people of all races."

    Woman saying "You see how much pain it causes people."

    So remember, how people choose to identify is THEIR business. Period! However, Amber needs to recognize the fact that she has, for many years, profited off of being in Black spaces. For her to be in an HBCU on a Black television network, and center the conversation around her struggles of being 3/4 white isn't the flex she thinks it is.

    Conversations like these deserve to be handled with care, an open mind, and, ultimately, respect.