5 Reasons Why Amanda Palmer Should Pay Her Volunteer Musicians

The cult singer-songwriter has come under fire for compensating her crowd sourced live band with free beer and hugs. Here’s why that’s a bad idea.

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1.

She’s Wrong About Her Critics
Amanda Palmer rightly points out in a blog post that a lot of people are scared about the crumbling record industry and a tanking economy, but she doesn’t seem to grasp that despite her good intentions, she’s become a symbol for a new way for musicians to get screwed over. No one is mad at her for crowd sourcing local musicians – that’s pretty cool, and not too different from the tradition of touring artists picking up players for gigs. People are upset because she’s not paying her “Grand Theft Orchestra,” and is essentially running her tour like an office staffed mainly with interns.

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There’s No Reason Not To Pay The Band
Palmer told the New York Times that the cost of paying all of the horn and string players would’ve come out to around $35,000 for the entire tour. This seems like a lot, but she’s hardly some dirt-poor amateur. The singer recently brought in nearly $1.2 million to fund her latest album, Theater Is Evil, so it’s not unreasonable to assume that some cash from that project could have funded her tour. (Could have, that is: She posted a breakdown of how the money was actually spent here.) Also, tickets for the gigs in question run an average of $23 each, and bands that charge less than that manage to pay each of the players, plus roadies and tour managers and other basic costs of doing business as a touring band. Her fans are obviously quite eager to support her; she could have always raised the ticket prices in order to compensate the guest players.

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She’s Circumventing Unions
Professional horn and string players are typically conservatory-trained members of unions with clearly defined wage scales. Even if the fans who are playing with Palmer at these gigs are having a blast, they are still undermining the hard and noble work of unions that protect classical musicians.

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She’s Taking Advantage Of Enthusiasm
Palmer notes that she has played many shows, particularly at the start of her career, for free, for fun, and for exposure. That’s all well and good, but why is she using this as an excuse not to compensate the musicians she is playing with on this tour? Having fun and gaining exposure are valid reasons to perform, but shouldn’t Palmer be more sensitive to the experiences of struggling musicians?

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It Sets A Bad Precedent
“If my fans are happy and my audience is happy and the musicians on stage are happy, where’s the problem?,” Palmer asks in the New York Times article about her tour. It’s a good point, and it highlights the important point that she’s not making anyone work for free, and the guest musicians are glad to volunteer their time and effort. But if this model for touring becomes more popular, it opens the door for widespread exploitation of musicians, and drives down a sense of value attached to musicians performing live. Music industry pundits like to point out that if artists can’t make money off recorded music, they can still potentially make money by playing live. Is it actually a good and progressive idea to support a model that keeps musicians from getting paid for that too?

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    • tuttle88   5 Reasons Why Amanda Palmer Should Pa... and thinks it’s Fail  about 7 months ago
    • D 7 months ago

      “real musicians don’t care about money.” Apparently Palmer does. Try to get into the show with beer and hugs. They may not care about money, but they care about stuff that helps them keep playing music. Like eating.

    • ruthcrimefightera thinks 5 Reasons Why Amanda Palmer Should Pa... is Fail  about 8 months ago
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    • jennm3 8 months ago

      Real musicians don’t care about money.

    • Molly A. 8 months ago

      This article raises some interesting points, but I don’t agree that what Palmer is doing is wrong. 1. Amanda Palmer regularly offers free downloads of her music from her website, so it’s not like she’s trying to milk her art for every last cent. In fact, you can go to her website right now and download 3 songs for free. 2. No one owes struggling musicians a job. Kudos for bravely following your passion, but in doing so, you were choosing a risky way to make a living. Moreover, you were gambling that people would be willing to pay you to make music, which the majority of the world is happy to do for free (although probably with less skill than you).  3. I grant you that it is bad etiquette for Amanda Palmer to basically ask people for handouts. However, if musicians are still willing to volunteer, apparently they don’t mind a little rudeness. No one is forcing them or tricking them into performing. 4. Again, people are willing to volunteer for this. Similarly, if a musician offers to play at his sister’s wedding for free, would you call him a scab or accuse him of undercutting?  I’ve seen a lot of thoughtful (and not so thoughtful) analyses of this situation, but I don’t think Palmer is being unethical.

    • Arica H. thinks 5 Reasons Why Amanda Palmer Should Pa... is Fail & WTF  about 8 months ago
    • muzmaniak 8 months ago

      I still find it sad people have to judge her and decide what the musicians should feel like. It’s so easy to judge… Shame on you people. Always trying to sound better than other people by judging them. she’s an artist and they are volunteer and she’s apparently not the only one who do that. My bf is a well paid artist and sometimes he still do it just for fun! For the whole experience. Why not? Why should we care?

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    • juliam11 8 months ago

      Good points Buzzfeed. Thanks, from a musician that would love to continue to make a career (or sometimes pay the rent) from her craft but just can’t get the paying gigs.

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    • Mozart The Cat 8 months ago

      I have a lot of professional musician friends who are upset about this; and rightly so. I personally would not pay $23 to see a someone sing with a non-union, VOLUNTEER band or orchestra. 23 bucks isn’t much to see an artist of her cliber, but it is a risky investment when you don’t know what you are going to get. I do understand her intention, though. Touring costs can be high and make or break someone if local promoters don’t fill the houses. So, in this instance the answer may be simple: TIP JAR. If the concertgoers feel they got more bang for their buck (ie the volunteer musicians rocked), everyone can toss a couple more bucks the musicians’ way.

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    • KWo 8 months ago

      This makes it sound like people are going to her shows struggling for a gig and then not getting paid. Green Day has been inviting people on stage their whole career to play an Op Ivy song with them, and I’m sure other bands do it too. If it’s volunteer who cares?

    • Discobox thinks 5 Reasons Why Amanda Palmer Should Pa... is Fail  about 8 months ago
    • Mrfrunzi 8 months ago

      I would play a show for beer. Anyone need a mediocre guitarist?  I like Magic Hat.

    • maxinecallejau 8 months ago

      It’s one night and they don’t even play the whole set usually. If they didn’t want to do it, they wouldn’t volunteer. I’m in film and theatre, not music, but if my favourite performer/director/whatever wanted someone to volunteer with them for a night, I’d be shoving people to get to the front of the line.

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    • Ru n 8 months ago

      Wait. That heart is because I hate it. Right?

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    • Don Bowles 8 months ago

      This article is really trying to make this seem like some sort of dangerous epidemic. I think there’s enough room in the music world for Amanda to do things her way without it totally destroying the music industry as we know it. Seriously, this is ridiculous. She’s not wealthy, she’s stated in many interviews how many loans she’s had to take out and how much debt she’s gotten into time and time again in order to make her music. And like another poster stated, she’s not taking these volunteers on tour with her. Her intentions are more humble and noble than most successful musicians out there. And, knowing her fans, they wouldn’t accept her money. No one cares about the money. It’s about bonding with her fans. They’re there to create music, and share in a one-of-a-kind experience. That’s worth more than anything. And fans don’t want to see random union musicians up on that stage that don’t care about her culture and will play whatever as long as they’re paid. That’s not punk cabaret.

    • Kimberly B. 8 months ago

      i can’t wait until she goes on tour with lana del rey :/

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    • Apequake 8 months ago

      This will end badly.

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    • esperanzarubiot 8 months ago

      She’s a prat who has been hashing pretentious art to people for ages> also this “…where i then spend my time contemplating my handsome nose job in the darkened mirrored bathrooms (probably weeping).” God, I wish you would get a nose job, then at least you’d be talentless but remotely attractive. I would love to download her music for free, but I hate it so I can’t even be bothered.

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    • Trebor 8 months ago

      Welcome to the world piracy created

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    • D 8 months ago

      Capitalist? Give me a break. She’s the capitalist - she’s not asking them to volunteer for a benefit, she’s asking them to volunteer for HER benefit.  Part of what people don’t seem to get is that she’s asking for a specific type of musician (strings and horns) that don’t thrive on “exposure,” and are often guilted into playing for free. What I mean by not thriving on exposure is that the people who hire these musicians will not care about a free gig for a rock artist. Such gigs are meaningless for classical and jazz players, except as opportunities for payment. She’s not saying “come onstage and jam,” she’s asking :”proffesional-ish” players to send in audition footage, then show up for rehearsal. That’s a lot of prep work for just a “fun” gig. The parts are “easy,” which of course means that they won’t impress anyone who could actualy hire them. In fact, anyone who plays for her will likely be dismissed as a well-meaning amateur who isn’t worth their time by serious musicians. And, as the article points out, it’s pissing on unions. A lot of people seem to turn up their nose at unions, but they help a lot of people get a fair deal. And finally, she is paying musicians at some gigs because those really “matter.” That’s just jerky behavior. She needs to just buck up and do the right thing.

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    • Heihachi Mishima 8 months ago

      it’s not called the “grand theft orchestra” for nothing

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    • muzmaniak 8 months ago

      Of course in a capitalist world like we have people don’t understand that some artist choose passion over making money. If they volunteer that’s their choice and privilege! If they wanna make money they can go elsewhere. In fact, is any musician complain about that? A lot of people exchange services to get exposure and publicity. Working with an artist like her is kinda really good exchange. People LOoove to complain

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