Why It’s So Hard To Talk About Bareback Sex
With more than 50% of gay men no longer using condoms consistently, the shame that often prevents candid discussion of bareback sex may prove to be as dangerous as the health risks themselves.
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I had been living in New York City just long enough to know about the risks of bareback sex, the statistics, the history, and the ghosts. This is not a cautionary tale; this is about a decision I made, and keep making.
In October 2010, I met a guy online who was visiting from France. That night, after meeting in a midtown Starbucks, we went to his hotel room. I never asked about his HIV status. I watched him do a line of coke in the bathroom, and even knowing that, knowing he was some unfamiliar man doing things I never envisioned myself doing, we fucked each other without condoms. And it felt good. This was the scariest part for me. Not the risk itself, but the fact that I enjoyed it.
The next morning, as I rushed to throw on my clothes to get to work on time, it all came rushing back: the risks, the statistics, the history. And, along with them, the names of authors I’d read who wrote during the onset of the AIDS crisis. I felt ashamed that I was doing something that would put me at risk of an incurable illness, felt ashamed because I knew people in my own life who I was close to who had struggled to come to terms with being HIV positive.
A few weeks later, as I sat in the waiting room of the GMHC, waiting for the results of my rapid HIV test, I wrote in my journal: “I’m here now, wondering if I have an incurable virus coursing through my veins. Wondering how my life will change inexorably if I do. Terrified because I wouldn’t ever give up that moment of pleasure. That I may, in fact, do it again.” Those 10 minutes were some of the longest moments of my life, and even though I felt so relieved at receiving an HIV-negative diagnosis, I’ve never stopped thinking about the consequences barebacking can have.
Two and half years later, during a recent regular three-month visit, the clinician in the HIV vaccine trial I’m part of — a study to discover how the HIV virus can be disrupted from attaching itself to cells — asked me the question, “How would you feel if you found out you were HIV positive?” I still can’t come up with an answer — and don’t think I ever could, unless I actually contracted HIV. Regardless, it’s a question any man who is having bareback sex with other men needs to ask when we are a long way off from a cure. Though it’s an impossible question to answer, it has forced me to think about the stigma that friends, relatives, and other figures continue to deal with because of their status. That’s important not because it will not necessarily dissuade me (or anyone else) from having bareback sex, but because it places the freedom that comes from fucking raw into what might happen when the rest of your life is bound to an incurable illness.
I refuse to use the words “unsafe sex” to describe barebacking. I believe it’s a phrase people use to make you feel ashamed about very real desires and habits you have. I will, however, use the word “risky” to describe the practices I have engaged in because I am aware of how to contract HIV, understand it’s incurable, and recognize how devastating it has been for millions. What I’m doing is not self-destructive, and it’s not because I’m too stupid to understand the early epidemic. I’ve seen We Were Here and How to Survive a Plague and still get teary-eyed thinking about images of activists raging against our government’s inaction. The half-sleeve tattoo I want to get is Keith Haring’s “Unfinished Painting,” 1989, which he painted just a few years before dying from AIDS.
Maybe others who bareback have no knowledge of this history or realize they have friends who struggle with the virus every day. But I do, and I’m talking about it because we can post as many articles as we want about how many men are barebacking without really asking why. Why is not an easy question, but it’s the only way we’re going to really feel comfortable talking about our desires. And if, as studies are starting to show, roughly half of all gay men bareback at some point, is it really that reckless? Are men who engage in barebacking sex really self-destructive, uneducated, or unfamiliar with the risk? I don’t think so, but the shame that stands between us and a candid conversation about bareback sex is perhaps as dangerous as the virus itself. I’ll probably bareback again, though I don’t know when or with whom. It is against my better judgment to take this risk, when the virus, even if I don’t have it personally, has invaded my vision of the world. But my desire doesn’t necessarily operate logically. It uses contact to determine where it heads next — the taste of lips together, the aroma of sweat, and yes, bare bodies as they intertwine.
This is why it is so hard to talk about barebacking. As contact against logic or reason, as sex that feels freeing but can have such permanent consequences, it should not be named, or cannot be named in a reasonable way. But for someone committed to staying HIV negative, committed to advancing HIV vaccine research, and studying the HIV/AIDS crisis intently, I want to know who else is out there who has fucked raw and wonders why that might happen, and continue to happen, despite the risk.
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Charley Vireo 3 months agoKyle: I respect that you’ve taken the time out to respond to most of these comments, but I think you’re being disingenuous here. Just because you have worked with organizations that serve people of color does not negate the privileged space that you occupy in life and in lovemaking. While there are health clinics and LBGTQ-focused health organization in low-income and PoC communities, to say to that everyone has equal access to healthcare, information, and HIV/AIDS treatment/preventative care is to deny reality.
Additionally, you’re not being called names because you are “safer”, and not all these comments are “designed to spread negativity” (as you say below). There are many legitimate criticisms of your article which, as is clear from many of the intelligent responses here, does not get across the message you intended. Please listen and stop being so defensive.
Finally: while I understand your stance on “unsafe” versus “safe” sex (no sex is truly “safe”, after all), I take great issue with your use and promulgation of the term “bareback.” “Bareback” is a porn-term that fetishes condomless sex and is used to sell unprotected sex as a hot, forbidden fruit. Part of fighting the spread of STDs is normalizing the use of condoms in casual encounters (this has been seen in successful HIV/AID prevention programs, such as the many in Cuba). Language cuts both ways—if using the term “unsafe sex” is harmful because it stifles dialogue, using the term “barebacking” is equally as harmful because it romanticizes (and pornifies) behavior that can lead to life-threatening consequences. -
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoI really thank you for this compelling response. I think when you mention my being defensive, I think it’s because a lot of the comments were, in fact, full of hateful language and not structured in the way you’ve structured your post. I have tried to respond to criticisms in ways that both reflect my decision to stand behind this piece 100% and to recognize the editorial limits that prevented me from saying more. As far as privilege, there have been a lot of claims made on who I am and what my background is (like that I’m gay, which is not true, I actually prefer the term queer, in part because the work I’ve done in these communities has revealed a lot of inequities racially, economically, etc.; or that I’m upper middle class or wealthy, instead I’m a student, scraping by on contract jobs in one of the most expensive cities in the country). Of course I have privilege as a white man and I do not deny that, and didn’t ever mean to suggest that access was universally the same because it’s obviously not. As far as the decision to use the term “barebacking” it did not come lightly, but it a term I have, and many others I have personally spoken to, have used. I’m aware of how it is used in porn, but I’m not trying to fetishize. I’m more looking at a word in common practice and trying to get a discussion going over what it means. I’m open to other alternatives, because “unsafe sex” doesn’t work “sex without condoms” is just not something that sounds like people would be willing to say. I look forward to chatting more!
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ryanl29 3 months agoDear Kyle, I rarely leave comments on articles/op-eds, but I thought that I’d write a few words this time. Well first, I think that what you are talking about here is a very valid and an important discussion that ‘we’ as a community need to engage in more often. The fact that so many people on this page deem it so controversial only emphasizes the importance of the question. At least in US, most of us are aware that having ‘risky’ sex could result in having to live with HIV for the rest of life. But the number of newly diagnosed infection hasn’t gone down in recent years. As an educated person who come across the similar question that you posit in this article, I appreciate your honesty and braveness to point out this important social issue!
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoThank you! SOMETHING isn’t working. I don’t know what it is because I can’t generalize for everyone, but I know we’re not talking about important issues that affect actually lowering HIV transmission rates.
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MichaelSF 3 months agoI’ve been reading your responses and they frustrate me more than your article did. If SOMETHING isn’t working, I think you need to accept the responsibility that your actions contribute to HIV transmission not declining, even if not in your particular case. If someone gets in a car accident while not wearing a seatbelt, they bear some responsibility for their worse injuries/death. You repeatedly say you want to open a dialogue where people can discuss why they’d want to have unprotected sex. Well, you’re the one who has put himself forward as having done it, so tell us. Why did you? And what part of the safer sex/HIV education campaigns failed you?
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SEM 3 months agoHi. Kyle, I appreciate your open perspective and totally agree that a non-shaming stance is very important to sustain open dialogue! Though I very much believe in prevention and protection, things happen, and sometimes they are outside of people’s control. It is important that as a community, we are able to have an open, affirmative dialogue about a variety of practices.
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henryl6 3 months agoAll creatures (human and animal alike) desire pleasure and fear pain. Bareback sex feels physically pleasurable, and - from my own experience, can also feel very emotionally pleasurable. Sex itself is very physically and emotionally pleasurable, whether bareback or with condoms. Pain - emotional pain - comes from fear of rejection, fear of death, fear of harm to one’s self. These are basic animal pleasures and fears that we all share. Based on our own very simple fears, it can be easy to emotionally react to something that scares us, or raises the specter of death, rejection, and pain for us. The words written here that speak of rejection, pain, and death (or seemingly wish such pains on others) come from this shared omnipresent fearful place. The emotional reactions here that come with seeming anger, frustration, or hurt I sincerely believe are deep-rooted fears of pain that are misdirected… misguided, if you will, to react by inflicting pain, rather than sharing from that very same heart-centered love we all have. The heart-centered love for ourselves can, at its best and most creative place, share this love with and for others - and encourage them in their lives and hearts. From the misguided sense of self and heart, this manifests as reactive fear-based seeming hatred of others. If, after reading ANYTHING (not just this well-written article), you have a strong reaction of fear, aversion, hatred, lust, or other less-constructive emotions… I urge you, gentle reader, to look to your own heart for the answers, not to the misapprehended projections you put on others. We will gain so much more individually and as a society (of LGBT people, or just as people) if we speak from our hearts, not from our fears. The comments made here speak volumes about the individual commentors, their self-control (or lack thereof), and their self-love (or lack thereof), more so than the original author. The original author spoke from his heart - and it was not from a place of fear, or inflicting pain. He spoke from his heart in a way that reflected his experience, his fears and heart were shared as a shared common life fear and joy - not from a place of attack or hurt. Kindly look to your own fears, and see what that means for your heart, rather than reacting in a way that generates further pain for yourself and for others.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoI agree. That we speak from fear or anger to much, and it never really gets us anywhere in terms of making necessary changes to a society that’s often very damaging to our own existence. Thanks for the comment!
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gracer8 3 months agoIf you get excited and feel the rush of being unsafe…then there is a world of pain for you. Stupid and ridiculous practices. I do not feel a SHRED of pity for someone who contracts HIV in this way. There is nothing glorified or pretty about an STD or HIV. And if you think so…then you have a serious mental illness or sick fetish that nobody can help you with. We all deserve this IF we are unsafe OR being a BUG CHASER! PERIOD!
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jjsully 3 months agoI appreciate the bravery behind writing a piece this personally revealing. I have to ask, though, whether the physical sensation of sex without condoms is really worth the risk. If not, perhaps you were seeking and may again seek the thrill of breaking a taboo? If so, can you find other taboos to break that won’t risk your health? Can you find other ways of exploring transgressive sex? In fact, when you think of all of the hot, kinky things you can do in the bedroom, isn’t setting aside the condoms a little dull by comparison? Just a thought. You seem like a thoughtful, honest person. I hope you stay well.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoI’m really not saying I have an erotic (or preferred) attachment to not using condoms. I was trying to say I enjoyed it, and despite knowing I “wasn’t supposed to” enjoy, I did. Of course there are many other forms of kink, and certain there are plenty that have their risks as well. I don’t bareback most times I have sex, and wasn’t trying to indicate that. It’s certainly a reasonable question, though, to look at *why* some people are exclusively not using condoms. Or those who have some fetishistic attraction to it. Thanks for the interesting discussion!
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Andrew Miller 3 months agoKyle— Thanks for your essay. What jumped out at me immediately is that it took 15 “excruciating” minutes for you to find out if you were positive. After my first two HIV tests, in the 1990s, it took three weeks to learn the results. Prior to that, there was no HIV test, and we had to wait to get sick to find out if we were ill. You may not be “too stupid to understand the early epidemic,” but if your reaction to How to Survive a Plague was to become “teary-eyed,” you missed the point of the movie. One of the reasons it’s so hard to talk about unsafe sex is that there is a huge disconnect between men of my generation and men of yours. ACT UPers fought very hard to ensure that those who came after us did not have to endure what we went through— and we succeeded. I agree that there needs to be an ongoing dialog about why gay men— your age and mine— continue to have unsafe sex. And men like you need not and should not be stigmatized; that solves nothing. But whatever else it might be, choosing to have unprotected sex with a man whose HIV status you are unsure of is self-destructive behavior. Let’s begin the dialog from there.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoThanks for your perspective. I do think that it’s wrong to take one single reaction out of content. As remembrance over traumatic events (or documentaries), grief is a pretty acceptable and normal reaction. I didn’t say I only felt grief, so it seems a little reductive to call me out on that point. As far as your use of the word “unprotected,” I’m going to challenge that. You’re implying some form of sex is protected, and I’m not sure I can agree with that. Every time you have sex, there is some risk— whether physically, emotionally, socially, etc. So nothing is ever protected when it comes to sexuality/sex.
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houstons 3 months agoI admire your honesty Kyle. Sex should be freeing for the soul and the body, and having AIDs lurking in every corner seems unfair. But sex has always had some danger of venereal disease transmission, the diseases change, and mortality always lurks in those corners. I think we feel this during sex, and it intensifies our exhilaration with being alive. When we are young, we feel we’ll always be young, and we literally cannot imagine what age feels like. But now that I’m older, let me give you one important piece of advice - enjoy your health and protect your health. That is the best gift that you can give yourself and the people you love. There are elements of risk in any type of sex, nothing is absolutely safe, but think about saving the riskiest types of sex for a person that you can trust, who you want to spend years with, and commits to loving you. And for people that come and go in your life, use less risky versions of safer sex - there are plenty of creative choices.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoThanks so much for the thoughtful response! You do raise some interesting points. I would like more emphasis on risk reduction techniques (which I am familiar with many), but part of the argument many others here are making is that it’s never okay to emphasize anything other than not using condoms and you’re immediately self-destructive. So there’s something going on there that we need to talk more about.
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thatwasawesome 3 months agoI think it’s interesting that others are reading this as some sort of opinion or political-type statement piece. It seems like the author is just trying to tell his story. No? I appreciated the “raw”-ness of this writing. It felt honest and vulnerable. More like something he would write in a journal. We’ve all been in a place where choosing between something pleasurable and something sensible faces us. And we all have chosen pleasure on at least one of those occasions, Even if that choice isn’t one about which you’re necessarily proud, it’s important (not to mention courageous) to admit it AT LEAST to yourself. Bringing it to the internet to be viewed and criticized by all it’s especially balls-y. Cheers and respect to the author.
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MBG1217 3 months agoIt’s the opposite of honesty. Defining words to mean the OPPOSITE of what they actually mean (claiming, for instance, that engaging in unprotected sex with a drug-user you met that day is not self-destructive) is a kind of lying. The piece is a series of self-serving falsehoods, narcissistic attempts to justify one’s own stupid, short-sighted, cavalier sexual choices by attaching them implausibly to things like ACT-UP. And how is writing a confession about choosing to engage in behavior IN THE FUTURE that risks not only your own, but other people’s health, deserving of cheers and respect? By this “logic,” someone who posted about driving drunk through the streets of his town with a blood alcohol level of .25, and said he’d “probably do it again,” is deserving of cheers and respect. He liked it, it’s too much trouble to get a designated driver, whatever, who are we to judge? He was so HONEST, man. I mean, that takes GUTS to say in public that you’re willing to risk your sexual health, the sexual health of your partner, and the sexual health of all your future partners and the future partners of your partner, because you like your orgasm a certain way.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoAll I can say is that you’re oversimplifying everything I’m saying. And I’ll leave at that because there’s no use in responding to angry personal attacks. To the other author of this post, thank you for seeing the post how I had intended it. Your support means a lot.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoI got tested again 3 months after, and continue to get tested every 3 months, now with a rapid RNA test which detects any trace of the virus in 9 days.
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MBG1217 3 months ago“I believe it’s a phrase people use to make you feel ashamed about very real desires and habits you have.” There is a breathtaking lapse of logic, a massive brain-fail, right here. Of course, there are plenty of those throughout this whole piece, which is beyond contemptible and which BuzzFeed should be ashamed for publishing. But specifically looking at this one line: “very real desires and habits you have.” I don’t doubt that your desires and habits are “real.” So what? The desire of addicts to do drugs is real; that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. Plenty of married people feel *desire* for, say, their sexually attractive co-workers, or other people they see, but that doesn’t mean they should act on those desires. People feel desires *constantly* to do or engage in various things, and that fact is COMPLETELY irrelevant when it comes to whether or not they should actually DO them. Your “habits and desires” are selfish, self-destructive, short-sighted, and All About You. You think that because you experience them (because they are “real”) that you ought to be able to act on them and we ought to affirm you for acting on them. It’s difficult to imagine anybody not completely blinded by selfishness who would apply this standard to human interaction as a whole. If you feel a desire to do something, and it’s a destructive desire, you have the choice not to do it. But you choose to, because it’s all about you. You don’t care about yourself, and you don’t care about other people. Own it.
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kat 518 3 months agoSeveral years ago, a member of my immediate family died. Having to deal bury an immediate family member was awful. It’s still awful. Since then, I’ve been trying to participate in fewer risky behaviors because I don’t want to put my loved ones through that experience any earlier than I have to. The idea of having to tell people I love, “I am HIV+. I got HIV from participating in a sexual activity that put me at a much higher risk for HIV. I could have chosen not to participate in those behaviors but I did not make that choice” horrifies me. I couldn’t put them through that. You probably wouldn’t say that if you contracted HIV. You would probably use different words. But your actions speak louder than words. And barebacking, especially with strangers, says, “I value participating in this sexual experience more than I value my life.”
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MBG1217 3 months agoI just want to highlight Tom Allsup’s comment, because it really does say it all about this piece: “I have heard these all these self-serving pathetic excuses for unsafe, self-destructive sex for the past 30 years. (“The drugs made me do it!”)..Please! Just own it, Queen! You are not committed to staying HIV-. You are into risky, unsafe, drug-driven pigsex with strangers. Here’s the Tea, Mary! Gay Men who care about themselves and others, practice safe sex; the Self-Haters, they don’t.” That’s really all that needs to be said. You don’t care about yourself and you don’t care about other people. You dress it up in pseudointellectual word games, paired with bald-faced lies and words defined to mean the exact opposite of what they mean (Yes, you ARE self-destructive), but really, that’s all there is to all of this. You don’t care about yourself and you don’t care about other people. Great job, BuzzFeed. What a great message to send, what a noble attitude towards human beings to affirm.
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MBG1217 3 months agoYou’ve got the ACT-UP Silence = Death poster in the graphic at the top of this article. I agree that silence = death. Gay men as a group are too silent about the things that some among us do that hurt us, and even kill us. Because of our experiences growing up in often-hostile families, churches, etc., we pride ourselves on being open-minded. We want to be understanding rather than judgmental because we recognize that *unfair* and *undeserved* judgments really hurt. Well, HIV, hepatitis, untreatable gonorrhea, etc., really hurt too. Who knows what other STD epidemics might be out there, given the increasing resistance to antibiotics of some of the ones we already know about. Other things, such as meth use, drug use, etc., hurt gay men too — and so often the drugs are specifically used to facilitate or enhance unsafe sex acts. You’ve posted that you don’t use, but so what? You are glamorizing the drug use simply by describing this supposedly “hot” French guy doing it, and you thinking that the resulting sex was so great you’ll “probably do it again.” Silence = death. We are too silent when people like you make sexual choices, and then attempt to justify them, that hurt gay people. Your choices have a ripple effect. The choices you make today to be unsafe affect not just you but your sexual partner, AND every sexual partner you have after him, AND every sexual partner he has after you. Like it or not. You are putting your ten-second orgasm ahead of an unquantifiable number of people’s health, and you want people to affirm that decision. Silence = death. Yeah. We need to speak up more loudly and say that this kind of nasty, entitled narcissism does NOT represent all of us, and that wherever it is to be found, it is to be rejected. This kind of sexual behavior hurts gay men more than even the most homophobic conservative Christian preacher could even *dream*. Your attitudes towards sex, towards the health of not just yourself but of your sexual partners, is objectively *anti-gay,* if that word has any meaning at all. “We ought to keep open minds.” Well, you want us to open our minds so wide that our brains fall out — because you want affirmation for your selfish, small, narcissistic, “I ought to be able to do whatever I want” worldview and habits.
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kat 518 3 months agoThis is honest and interesting but troubling. I think it’s good to talk about for education purposes. I just have a really hard time trying to be rational when facing someone who knows what they’re doing is risky and continues to do it. I think part of the appeal of barebacking and having sex with strangers is that it’s risky. I don’t think that barebacking is inherently unsafe. I completely understand if men in a committed relationship want to bareback, just as I understand straight couples who don’t use condoms. That said, you don’t get to decide a behavior is or is not self-destructive. I think that’s on par with the ana/mia crowd saying that they are making a lifestyle choice. Call it what you want but the odds are that this behavior will decrease your lifespan. That’s how I would define acting self-destructive. I’ve gone to funerals for people in my immediate family. I’ve seen how traumatic and awful it is to bury someone you love. After that experience, I started reducing the risky behaviors in which I participate because I don’t want to force my loved ones to bury me any sooner than I have to. I never want to have to tell people that I love that I have an incurable fatal disease and that I could have done everything in my power to not get it, but I chose to participate in activities that made getting the disease much more likely. I never want to give my loved ones the impression that I valued any sexual encounter more than I value my life. You might say that’s not what you’re doing but your actions speak louder than words.
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jamesf32 3 months ago@Tom Allsup Don’t be an asshole. This is exactly what this guy is talking about. Why is it so tough to talk about barebacking. All of us, every single rational human being has done something irrational for whatever reason at some point in our lives so no one should be judging. In the history of our planet HIV is still new. it’s a blip on our long existance here and for most of that time man has never used a condom. Yes Condoms are great for preventing STD’s but they aren’t fool proof. I know many of have gotten an STD using a condom properly. The truth is most hettrosexuals don’t use condoms and I don’t see anyone screaming or calling them names, but God forbid one of us homos fucks without a rubber and we are labled everything from self-serving pathetic and self-destructive. I’ve fucked without rubbers (don’t do drugs, don’t drink, sane and sober) and I don’t think I’m any of those negative titles, You self judging assholes seem to feel entitled to bestow upon those of us who have had condomless sex all of these names but I will bet you have done something that put your life or health at risk (any alcoholics, or smokers listening?) and no one said anything about it.
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MBG1217 3 months agoCondoms aren’t foolproof, therefore we are justified in not using them at all? Wow. This really is what passes for logic among some of us. According to magnificent demonstration of human reasoning ability, since we run some risk of dying when we skydive, we might as well jump out of the plane without a parachute. Or since every time we get in a car we run some risk of getting in an accident, we shouldn’t bother with a seatbelt. It’s sobering, and scary, to realize how many people there are out there, people like you, who believe that you are justified in being not just self-destructive but in risking the health of others because “eh, nobody’s perfect.” The fact that people make mistakes does not mean those choices are OK. By definition, if they are mistakes they are things that SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE. While we can’t change the past, we can strive to do better. That’s something that the author of this article is explicitly saying he won’t do. Because it’s about him. And, as you make clear in your post, it’s about you — you want to be able to do what you want and you don’t want anyone to criticize you for it.
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MBG1217 3 months agoAs this conversation illustrates, being safer means belitted, called names, and told that people know better than me. You’re not being “safer.” Period. There’s nothing to debate. What this conversation illustrates is that you DO want to be affirmed for your choice to have unsafe sex and to announce that you’ll probably do it again. We should not respect your choices any more than we respect the choice of someone to get behind the wheel of a car with a .25 blood alcohol level. Sure, you might only hurt or kill yourself. Alternatively, you make take some people out with you. Who knows? Who cares? You just want your orgasm the way you like it, with whatever random drug user pushes the right buttons. Every now HIV infection is the result of someone infecting someone else. It’s not just about you being a victim, it’s about you being someone willing to risk other people’s health and lives, too. You don’t deserve to be listened to. This piece should never have been published and your editors have contributed in one small, entitled, pathologically narcissistic way to a poisonous culture that hurts gay men.
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MrSwearword 3 months agoHere’s why it’s hard to talk about: it relates to sex. Despite some societal progress, a lot of people are still quick to label sex as “taboo subject matter”.
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Kyle Bella 3 months agoExactly, probably for any real issues with a lot of different factors at play that aa lot of people find potentially offensive. People want to make sex a right/wrong issue, but there are so many more layers of meaning to examine.
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MrSwearword 3 months agoI wouldn’t say “right/wrong” issue, but I get what you’re trying to say. It’s more along the lines of “icky/not icky” when people have hangups about sex.
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