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At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over

Opponents of gay rights spoke to a nearly empty room, while supporters had a standing room–only crowd. “We cannot be at war with America on issues of fairness, on issues of equality,” conservative Washington Post blogger Jennifer Rubin says.

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At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over
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NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. — Cleta Mitchell, a D.C. lawyer who successfully led the charge to keep the LGBT conservative group GOProud out of the Conservative Political Action Conference for the past two years, is finding out what it means to lose a hard-fought battle.

Mitchell and the National Organization for Marriage’s Brian Brown looked down from a stage at the annual, signature conservative conference whose social values they’d fought to defend to find they’d lost their troops.

“We are treated as if we are bigots,” Brown complained to a largely empty room, assembled for a panel dedicated to discussing the bullying they and other conservatives say they face from the Obama administration.

An hour later, speaking to a packed room at another CPAC panel about increasing tolerance in the party, GOProud executive director Jimmy LaSalvia basically agreed.

“We have tolerated something in our movement for far too long: anti-gay bigotry,” LaSalvia said. “Let me be clear, I do not believe that just because someone opposes same-sex marriage that that automatically makes them a homophobe. But there are, however, a few. There are a few in our movement who just don’t like gay people. In 2013, that just isn’t OK in America anymore.”

Like Brown at the earlier panel, LaSalvia appeared to view the afternoon as a key moment for this battle. Both men were on the offensive with striking vigor — and with good reason.

Far from a sole, fringe, pro-marriage equality speaker — and a day before Republican Sen. Rob Portman announced his support for marriage equality — panels both before and after Mitchell’s panel had speakers encouraging the Republican Party and the conservative movement to embrace marriage equality.

They weren’t always expected voices. Liz Mair and Margaret Hoover have been supportive of GOProud since the beginning, but this CPAC they were joined on a Thursday panel sponsored by the Competitive Enterprise Institute by none other than the National Review’s Jonah Goldberg. Conservative scholar and provocateur Charles Murray also pointedly backed the cause at CPAC. Jennifer Rubin, the conservative Washington Post blogger, was among those speaking most strongly about how the Republican Party needs to adjust course on gay couples’ marriage rights if it wants to survive.

“There are lots of rationales and lots of reasons that one can come to this conclusion. But, if you simply want to be a debating society, we can debate that. If you want to be a winning political party, I would suggest the debate has already taken place in America. We cannot be at war with America on issues of fairness, on issues of equality,” Rubin said.

On the other side, Brown appeared, at least implicitly, to agree. Spending very little time addressing his arguments about marriage itself, most of his comments at CPAC were focused on how opponents of same-sex couples’ marriage rights are treated.

Speaking of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s hate-group listing, which includes the Family Research Council and the Ku Klux Klan, Brown said, “What happens when you lump together good people who know the truth about marriage with those who want to attack others? Well, we saw: A shooting happened. … You saw what happened to Chick-fil-A, simply because Dan Cathy says that he believes marriage is the union of a man and a woman.”

Although ongoing issues of anti-LGBT violence and discrimination remain unaddressed and equality remains a distant goal — and although the Republican Party is nowhere near done with its internal debate — the die is cast and the once incredible notion of gay couples getting married has become a growing norm.

The fact that, even at CPAC, the question now is a real debate — strongly represented by advocates on all sides in discussions — is perhaps one of the strongest signs of just how successful the movement for marriage equality has been in recent years.

“We’re looking at the new conservative coalition,” GOProud’s LaSalvia said Thursday about the crowded room. The biggest question that remains is whether and when a majority of the conservative movement will realize it.

If they don’t, Rubin said, the party could be doomed.

“In 10 years, I don’t know if there will be a Republican Party,” Rubin said. “There’s nothing that says that we have to be around. But there is a lot of evidence, historically, that the progress in America has been all in one direction: tolerance, inclusion, barriers fall. You don’t go backwards.”

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    • Alice M.   At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over and thinks it’s Win  about 2 months ago
    • morgand4   At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over  about 2 months ago
    • MMR 2 months ago

      “We are treated as if we are bigots,” Brown complained to a largely empty room, assembled for a panel dedicated to discussing the bullying they and other conservatives say they face from the Obama administration. (I can’t imagine why Prop8 folks are being treated like bigots…)

    • musclemutt 2 months ago

      Rafael Kafka: I don’t think you’re a bigot, but I do think you need a crash course in modern genetics to rinse that brainwash residue between your ears. Not only do you need to know the hereditary affect on pregnancy associated with gay orientation, you need to know the ethical concerns of genetics so you can decide whether you’d allow abortion to avoid having a gay child. [If so, you may in fact be a bigot.] Google: fraternal birth order maternal immune

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    • nedf 3 months ago

      The Republican party is not saying “Let’s finally do the right thing.” They’re saying, “We must appear to be doing the right thing in order to increase votes and donors.”

    • adriannac   At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over  about 3 months ago
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    • toddbarbianb 3 months ago

      The Republican party is still wrong on issues of race, reproductive rights, and income inequality. No letting them off the hook until they have their “come to Jesus” moments on those issues too.

    • terrym7 thinks At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over is Trashy  about 3 months ago
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    • Stuff Sarah Says 3 months ago

      Coming from a political independent - anyone who comments on this post angry at Republicans is just as bigoted as they claim Republicans are. Talk about hypocritical. Stop using idiotic rhetoric thrown around at your party’s convention and start thinking for yourselves, people.
      Yes, some Republicans may just not like gay people, which is wrong, but that’s not the whole Republican party. Liberals lumping conservatives into the bigot stereotype is just as bad as conservatives lumping poor people into the freeloader stereotype. Both are serious accusations, and neither are true of everyone.
      Clearly, “holier than thou” is not just a description of the religious right.

      • abrahamc3 3 months ago

        If you don’t want to be lumped in with the bigotted republicans then quit electing them into office. Pretty simple. As it stands the republican party is a bigoted, racist party and will continue to be so until the platform that the PARTY runs on changes.

      • zombieianbrooks 3 months ago

        This strikes me as the “let’s tolerate other people’s viewpoints, including racism and bigotry” argument. Schools really did a disservice to children by teaching them “everybody has an opinion and there’s nothing wrong with that” because yes, yes in fact being a bigot is always the wrong opinion because it endangers others. We dont have to respect or talk nice to bigoted people any more than we have to play nice with people who rape or murder.

      • Bob Builder, The 3 months ago

        “Yes, some Republicans may just not like gay people, which is wrong, but that’s not the whole Republican party.” Here’s the thing though. Republicans keep electing idiots who make it a point to attack gays. Those who want the job of writing laws want to write laws that curtail their rights. So what if your average republican friends are nice, normal, pleasant individuals? Those who are elected, those in power, those who can make life difficult for people in general are still close minded assholes. So, yeah. It’s perfectly logical to be angry at the republican party. You can still like your republican-voting family members, you can still describe them as nice, loving, christian people, but the morons your nice friends elect are using their power to attack others because they’re not exactly like them.

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    • bethp10 3 months ago

      I’m left wondering if there may be an entirely different reason for the disparity of the crowds.
      CPAC attendees already know the traditional part line. It’s like preaching to the choir. However, I CAN see how more would attend a discussion on how the party may be changing direction. There’s going to be a lot of internal debate moving forward, with a lot of factions trying to influence that direction. This is where the real action is going to be.

    • randim 3 months ago

      We are coming to the days when evil is called “good”. It is wrong to let the values and morals of our laws and nation crumble so that we can falsely uphold the weakness of homosexuality as normal. It is not. God forbids it. It destroys families. It destroys the decency of human relations. It will destroy our nation.

      • Abbzey 3 months ago

        You’re waiting for a doomsday that will never come. Being gay does not make a person evil. I almost feel bad for you. *Almost*

      • therblig 3 months ago

        what he said

      • elli 3 months ago

        Your god is irrelevant in our society. Whether or not he forbids homosexuality holds no ground whatsoever, as this is a country founded on the ideas of religious freedom and freedom from religion, and I’d thank you to remember that. Take your doomsday rant and shove it up your ass.

      • A.Leigh 3 months ago

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,” 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. America is not (and cannot be) a theocracy. What your religion, or anyone else’s, says is completely irrelevant to the laws of this nation. If, however, you can come up with a logically valid argument as to why accepting homosexuality constitutes “letting the values and morals of our nation crumble,” without bringing religion into it, by all means, proceed. I’ve yet to hear anyone come up with one (no, marriage is not all about having babies—you may notice we don’t force engaged couples to affirm that they will reproduce before allowing them to get married—and no, “it’s icky” is not a valid argument either).

    • kerrymb 3 months ago

      The bigots against marriage equality have lost, but racial equality, gender equality, respect for differences in religion are still major problem issues for the GOP that they have yet to resolve.

    • Rilmawen   At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over and thinks it’s Win  about 3 months ago
    • Bob Builder, The 3 months ago

      And there’s no more racism because Obama was elected!! Yes, all of society’s problems are practically solved!

    • ladislaol 3 months ago

      They are treated like bigots because that is what they are. It’s one thing to believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, everyone is entitled to their beliefs. It is an entirely different thing to try and deny basic rights to a section of society that you don’t endorse. Believe what you want, but your beliefs do not outweigh mine.

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    • BruceCJohnson 3 months ago

      If you want to be on the wrong side or everything, call yourself a Republican.

    • BruceCJohnson 3 months ago

      If you want to be on the wrong side of just about everything, go ahead and call yourself a Republican.

    • SockKitty   At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over  about 3 months ago
    • cassb2 3 months ago

      I guess the conservatives are going to have to find another group to demonize. They just have to hate someone in the name of Jesus.

    • Jo Nol 3 months ago

      This may be the case on the national level, but the Republican-dominated state legislatures are passing anti-gay legislation at a fast clip, as well as anti-choice measures. They are also engaged in other stealth tactics such as gerrymandering to maintain a stranglehold on state governments. So the national war on gays being over is moot.

    • therblig 3 months ago

      “Jennifer Rubin, the conservative Washington Post blogger, was among those speaking most strongly about how the Republican Party needs to adjust course on gay couples’ marriage rights if it wants to survive.” or, I suppose, they could do it because it’s the right thing to do. but, i understand - baby steps.

    • michaelh87 3 months ago

      This religious right group is a huge problem. This looks just like mid east countries where hard core religion rules and either you believe their fairy tales or you die. We could be moving in that direction if some politicians dont grow a pair and really stick up for what they believe in. In answer to someone elses question, I think the Republican animal is changing course in the name of winning elections not because they have a real change of heart , however alot of individual republican people might be coming around.

    • kcristiano   At CPAC, The Marriage Fight Is Over and thinks it’s Win  about 3 months ago
    • robw16 3 months ago

      The republicans can rationalize all they want but they’re still losers. They may begin to say they now see the light regarding LGBT people but they are only doing it because intellectually they know their party is mostly comprised of old people who will soon be departing and they are desperate to attract the young. If they are serious about, gulp, changing they are going to have to demonstrate through action and legislation that they want a party of inclusion.

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    • maxr11 3 months ago

      If the GOP gives in on the social issues on which they are so knuckleheaded—gay rights, hopefully reproductive rights, immigration, then the Democrats will have no choice but to embrace a truly progressive economic agenda to stay in front of them. I for one cannot wait.

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    • johnc87 3 months ago

      After reading this, maybe somebody better clue-in the RW Talk-Radio crowd since I’ve never heard any of them back gay marriage and they are quite vocal about this subject almost every day!

    • ericd27 3 months ago

      Lets be real here, this is not about supporting gay marriage it is about getting more people to vote conservative.

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