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Oprah And Shonda Rhimes Reveal Why Marriage Isn't For Them

"I never played bride. I was never interested. I don't know what it is; I never wanted to get married."

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If you sensed time slowing down this past Sunday, it was probably because a conversation between Oprah and Shonda was airing on OWN and making time irrelevant. Among the topics at hand? Marriage, and why both women have abstained from it.

"I was able to stand up and say 'I don't want to get married. At all,'" Shonda said.

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"[It] feels obvious and maybe silly or something to people who are married or people who are older, people who have been through it. But if you're a woman in your thirties or forties, that's a big deal. Everybody's asking you all the time if it's going to happen...There's a huge amount of pressure."

"It's a lot like the desire to want to have children in our society," she continued. "You're supposed to want it, and if you don't want it, what's wrong with you?"

Shonda continued to describe her desire for children alongside her lack of desire for marriage: "I never played bride. I was never interested. I don't know what it is; I never wanted to get married."

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"I'm one of those people, since I was 5, I could tell you I was going to have kids. I could tell you I was going to have three. I could tell you they were going to be girls. But I have never wanted to get married. I never played bride. I was never interested. I don't know what it is; I never wanted to get married."

Oprah, too, discusses part of what led to the decision not to marry her longtime, partner Stedman Graham: "The moment he asked me to marry him I was, like... 'Now I actually have to get married?'"

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"I don't know if I've ever said this publicly, but I really wanted to be wanted to be married to. I wanted Stedman to want to marry me. The moment he asked me to marry him I was, like: 'Now I actually have to get married?'"

"What I realized is, I don't want to be married," Oprah said. "Because I could not have the life that I created for myself...I knew that I couldn't do it."

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