…and the million man march was organized… the organizers weren’t destructive… the goal was to send a message, not shut down a city, not disrupt other citizens lives. Any street blockages or difficulties caused to local businesses were incidental, not an intentional act. So… now OWS was there to protest police response??? It’s odd how “the message” keeps changing. One of the biggest problems with OWS is that it started with some statistics. The statistics are accurate. But then a SMALL group of people had the audacity to declare themselves the voice of the majority. They promoted themselves to the position of “the peoples” proxy. But the true majority looked at the group and said “wow, I wouldn’t hire that person. I wouldn’t want that person to teach my children. It would suck to have that person as my neighbor, they look trashy. Man, it would suck if that person was my co-worker, the days would be long because that person is annoying.” And OWS then went and acted in ways that the true majority would never act. What occurred is that the true majority looked at the original statistics and “Yeah… that’s messed up… but those OWS street people… no… I can’t relate to them. I work for a living. I’m not a pot-head. I have a family. I like my country, and I’d like to fix it’s problems but I don’t want to disrupt and destroy my country. I have better things to do with my life than instigate confrontations with the police so I can try to fabricate claims of systemic injustice” What happens when a person gets elected to public office, a true proxy of the people, and then that person embarrasses the people they represent? …the true majority turns on them. They don’t get re-elected. OWS self appointed themselves as the peoples representative and then thumbed their nose at what the true majority believes, acts like, and holds in their hearts and minds as important. So although the majority can look at the statistics and agree there’s a problem, beyond a small flurry of initial support (for the statistics), the masses were quickly disenfranchised with OWS because of the way OWS conducted themselves. So the little bit of initial support (based solely upon the statistical principal) quickly shriveled up and died. Yeah, I know… OWS resents “Middle America.” It shows. It was readily apparent to all those “Bumpkins”, “Hillbillys” and “Small Town Dopes” too. But here’s the kicker folks. Those “small town dopes”… are the true majority. New York is BIG… but compared to the whole of the rest of the country, it’s small. Throw LA in the same boat. And OWS never made itself sympathetic to Middle America. Heck, from what I saw… most New Yorkers couldn’t stand you either. (Probably because you weren’t just presenting a message, you were disrupting their lives.) Flame all you want. The proof is in the pudding. The movement fizzled out… Because it was divisive, not inclusive. It was disorganized. It did not have a clear message. It was half-baked and spontaneous. And bullshit games, destructive behavior, and INSTIGATED clashes with the police won’t win you any favor with the masses. So, pull back. Pull your head out of your asses. Regroup. Get rid of the “anti-american” people that have infiltrated your cause (commmunists, socialists and anarchists). Grow up a little and lose some of your youthful exuberance that clouds logical thought. Clearly define your message and present it in a way that doesn’t make the true majority feel that you want to destroy their lives. (Putting on my flame retardant clothing… because I know it’s inevitable)
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- tauhids ...and the million man march was orga...
Seriously, I don’t get this whole “I don’t know what OWS is about” line that I’m always hearing. Yes, I know that the movement is amorphous and has different factions. But hey, guess what? So was the Civil Rights Movement. It was made up of socialists, communists, Democrats, Republicans, students, liberals, conservatives, pacifists, militants and all had their own different agendas and their own ideas of how to accomplish what they wanted. But the bottom line was ultimately: equality for all people regardless of colour. Similarly, when I attended the London anti-war march back in 2003, there were so many different groups protesting, all with different agendas. There were hippies, anarchists, Muslims, Jews, socialists, communists, etc. etc. Again, different views, different agendas. But the bottom line was that everybody there didn’t want another war with Iraq. Similarly, the Occupy movement has become an ungainly umbrella movement, amorphous and chaotic. But this isn’t anything new. Umbrella movements have always been this way. And the bottom line is that the Occupy movment is protesting economic injustice. It’s really that simple. Are you pissed off that most of the financial institutions fucked up the economy and got away with it? Well, guess what? So am I! So are they! So should we all! Do you think that it’s unfair that people with more money should pay a proportionately less amount of tax than people who earn at the lowest income bracket? Well, sure! That’s the sort of unfairness you’d complain about as a child when the fat kid took more than his fair share of cake! Look, I’m speaking in generalities here and perhaps oversimplifying, but I do honestly find it baffling when people say they don’t know what the Occupy movment is protesting. It makes me want to scream, “WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS?”
- John J. ...and the million man march was orga...
- benm10 ...and the million man march was orga...
- kelseycoffeltd thinks ...and the million man march was orga... is Trashy
- sharkfighter ...and the million man march was orga... and thinks it’s Win & OMG
- jessev ...and the million man march was orga... and thinks it’s Fail
- benr11 ...and the million man march was orga... and thinks it’s Trashy, LOL & Fail
See, first the media didn’t report on it for weeks. Then, they presented it just like you said, no clear message & potheads in tents.
If you saw anything about this on the internet you’d have seen very clear messages [like in the image].
Also, you can’t just count the NY Occupiers, look at how many cities around the world have joined. Not to mention new people [ex police captain] & groups [such as farmers], lots of working people, actors, unions….
You need to make an attempt to read beyond the media & OWS detractors & see what it really is about.
I’m not trying to be confrontational, I’m on your side. Like it or not, we’re both 99%ers.
And I’m in a small town on a little island province in Canada.
- brettp ...and the million man march was orga... and thinks it’s Win
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- edgerrton ...and the million man march was orga... and thinks it’s Trashy
Thanks for the literature. :)
‘Get rid of the “anti-american” people that have infiltrated your cause (commmunists, socialists and anarchists).’
I didn’t realize these people were “anti-american”
- lizas4 ...and the million man march was orga...
By repeatedly stating what “the majority” supposedly believes without citing any facts, statistics, or sources aside from your own opinion, aren’t you essentially doing the same thing? That is, claiming to be the majority opinion when in fact there is absolutely nothing to indicate as much? You’re arguing against them from the same rickety soapbox, based on the same self-important and self-appointed authority. Not to mention that I think you’d be surprised to read about what much of the polling support says for OWS. I say all this as someone with practically no opinion of the protests at this point. I just find the fact that you’re behaving the same way and it escaped your notice to be rather amusing.