Why It’s So Hard To Talk About Bareback Sex

With more than 50% of gay men no longer using condoms consistently, the shame that often prevents candid discussion of bareback sex may prove to be as dangerous as the health risks themselves.

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Kyle Bella

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I had been living in New York City just long enough to know about the risks of bareback sex, the statistics, the history, and the ghosts. This is not a cautionary tale; this is about a decision I made, and keep making.

In October 2010, I met a guy online who was visiting from France. That night, after meeting in a midtown Starbucks, we went to his hotel room. I never asked about his HIV status. I watched him do a line of coke in the bathroom, and even knowing that, knowing he was some unfamiliar man doing things I never envisioned myself doing, we fucked each other without condoms. And it felt good. This was the scariest part for me. Not the risk itself, but the fact that I enjoyed it.

The next morning, as I rushed to throw on my clothes to get to work on time, it all came rushing back: the risks, the statistics, the history. And, along with them, the names of authors I’d read who wrote during the onset of the AIDS crisis. I felt ashamed that I was doing something that would put me at risk of an incurable illness, felt ashamed because I knew people in my own life who I was close to who had struggled to come to terms with being HIV positive.

A few weeks later, as I sat in the waiting room of the GMHC, waiting for the results of my rapid HIV test, I wrote in my journal: “I’m here now, wondering if I have an incurable virus coursing through my veins. Wondering how my life will change inexorably if I do. Terrified because I wouldn’t ever give up that moment of pleasure. That I may, in fact, do it again.” Those 10 minutes were some of the longest moments of my life, and even though I felt so relieved at receiving an HIV-negative diagnosis, I’ve never stopped thinking about the consequences barebacking can have.

Two and half years later, during a recent regular three-month visit, the clinician in the HIV vaccine trial I’m part of — a study to discover how the HIV virus can be disrupted from attaching itself to cells — asked me the question, “How would you feel if you found out you were HIV positive?” I still can’t come up with an answer — and don’t think I ever could, unless I actually contracted HIV. Regardless, it’s a question any man who is having bareback sex with other men needs to ask when we are a long way off from a cure. Though it’s an impossible question to answer, it has forced me to think about the stigma that friends, relatives, and other figures continue to deal with because of their status. That’s important not because it will not necessarily dissuade me (or anyone else) from having bareback sex, but because it places the freedom that comes from fucking raw into what might happen when the rest of your life is bound to an incurable illness.

I refuse to use the words “unsafe sex” to describe barebacking. I believe it’s a phrase people use to make you feel ashamed about very real desires and habits you have. I will, however, use the word “risky” to describe the practices I have engaged in because I am aware of how to contract HIV, understand it’s incurable, and recognize how devastating it has been for millions. What I’m doing is not self-destructive, and it’s not because I’m too stupid to understand the early epidemic. I’ve seen We Were Here and How to Survive a Plague and still get teary-eyed thinking about images of activists raging against our government’s inaction. The half-sleeve tattoo I want to get is Keith Haring’s “Unfinished Painting,” 1989, which he painted just a few years before dying from AIDS.

Maybe others who bareback have no knowledge of this history or realize they have friends who struggle with the virus every day. But I do, and I’m talking about it because we can post as many articles as we want about how many men are barebacking without really asking why. Why is not an easy question, but it’s the only way we’re going to really feel comfortable talking about our desires. And if, as studies are starting to show, roughly half of all gay men bareback at some point, is it really that reckless? Are men who engage in barebacking sex really self-destructive, uneducated, or unfamiliar with the risk? I don’t think so, but the shame that stands between us and a candid conversation about bareback sex is perhaps as dangerous as the virus itself. I’ll probably bareback again, though I don’t know when or with whom. It is against my better judgment to take this risk, when the virus, even if I don’t have it personally, has invaded my vision of the world. But my desire doesn’t necessarily operate logically. It uses contact to determine where it heads next — the taste of lips together, the aroma of sweat, and yes, bare bodies as they intertwine.

This is why it is so hard to talk about barebacking. As contact against logic or reason, as sex that feels freeing but can have such permanent consequences, it should not be named, or cannot be named in a reasonable way. But for someone committed to staying HIV negative, committed to advancing HIV vaccine research, and studying the HIV/AIDS crisis intently, I want to know who else is out there who has fucked raw and wonders why that might happen, and continue to happen, despite the risk.

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    • BlkGayAmerican 2 months ago

      Hi Kyle, I read your article and enjoyed your candid, honest opinion about the subject of “barebacking” or “unprotected sex” or “unsafe sex” whatever you want to call it especially saying that you may do it again. Btw, you didn’t have to say. You could’ve told everyone what they wanted to hear and put a nice moral of the story at the end.  The one thing I noticed from most of the negative commentators is that no one offers solutions or best practices to prevent “unsafe sex”. They simply call you names, demonize and judge your actions. I don’t ever remember a time by calling someone fat, ugly or f*ggot ever made a positive impact on someone’s life. So, can they sit there and make such nasty remarks and think that they’re not a part of the cause. If people really CARED about helping people stop having “unprotected sex” then they would try to get to the root of the problem. If this person is quote or unquote “self-destructive”, why are they “self-destructive” or putting themselves at this risk.  There’s a double standard in this issue that no one is addressing and that no one in the comment section would be here if it wasn’t for “bareback sex”. YOUR MOM HAS BAREBACK SEX is an interesting article that you must google and read about. We see it SENSATIONALIZE in tv, film and online yet me expect the gay community to not engage in it simply because they’re at a high risk than heterosexuals.  I know the risk of having “unprotected sex” so does the other partner involved. It must be MUTUAL AGREE UPON, in order for it to occur. So the argument that one is putting all these potential partner at risk, unbeknownst I assuming, is not a valid argument. It takes two to tango. Sex is an addiction just like alcohol, smoking cigarettes, smoking weed (marijuana) and they all have long term consequence yet many people believe by stating many facts and statistics as well as negative future consequences and the eminent consequence of death that they can make an impact save someone from having “bareback sex”. I believe it takes more than that, getting a support group like AA and other addiction support group can help lessen the use of “unprotected sex”.  The gay community is a collective group based on the sex of one’s preference. Sex is the driving force of our culture, it’s everyone from the go-go boys to condom-porn shown on the tv at the bars. Yet we expect gay men to act responsibly at all times while the “straight” community can unprotected sex and knock women up and have illegitimate child without the wife’s consent or acknowledgement and no one demonize them. They don’t lose their jobs or healthcare for that. It’s a honest mistake and they move on. Question: how many extramarital affairs did the guy have? Or there more? What diseases did he pass on to his wife? You can’t have an open discussion by name calling the other side and expect them to fall in line. It’s human nature to make mistakes, over and over, some are emotional, some are physical and others are financial but in order to “help them person” you need to care about that person who has a “self-destructive” “narcissistic” attitude and the choices that they make. Otherwise you’re just another bully on the playground name calling a “f*g”, “n*gger”, “f*t”, “cr*ckhead” “compulsive g*mbler” I want to commend the person, whom I can’t remember, that posted the suggestion of putting lube inside the condom to increase stimulation. They offered a solution can quite possible reduce the risk of HIV spreading in the community. I look forward to hearing more best practice solutions in the future.  I’m not going to ignore that the fact that they’re others who fetishsize about “barebacking”. I do not wish to pass judgment on anyone, I do not that in hopes no one pass judgment on me. We have to acknowledge that there is a cultural shift to bareback porn due to the increase of studios offering exclusive or mutual selection of condom and bareback porn. Why is there such a high demand? I grew up in the 80s and 90s and I was too young to fully grasp the concept of AIDS and HIV. Sure I watched Philadelphia and I knew something was wrong but living in a society where there’s less and less people dropping dead from AIDS makes it hard for me to keep that in the back of mind at all times when I want to hookup with a guy. I understand the use of condoms and have it’s the most possible way to prevent STDs and HIV from occurring other than abstinence but there needs to be another way.  Let’s have a discuss about the size of condoms and condoms have a one-size-it-all approach and that not everyone can fit the free condoms thrown, given, supplied at most gay establishment. There job is only to protect nothing more, nothing less. What the sensation? Does feel good? Can I jack off inside of the condom and have the same sensation as the real thing? If you’re over 9’, chances are condoms are the most uncomfortable things to put on and this must supply your own magnum condoms, which are not cheap. You can’t get a discount or prescription for them. If you’re money tight, your only choices are have sex with guys who provide magnums or jerk off yourself. Which may add to the frustration because you want to have sex to escape the fact that you don’t have much money for at least a little while. And what about the guys who the free condoms are too small for?  There are many factors that play a part in having sex in the gay community especially monetary factors. Lube, condoms and douche bottles add up and if you don’t have the funds then you don’t get to have sex unless you hook up with someone who has the means.  I understand while bareback sex prevalent in the gay community. it’s cheap, fast and most important dirty. Sex is dirty; it’s not always polite, or appropriate, and can have many repercussions; however, we, as humans, still engage in it. Why?

    • gerardq 2 months ago

      I agree, we must bring the topic of bareback sex to the limelight because its become the new fad. People seem to have forgotten what the dangers are. If you go online more than half of the hits I now get are asking if I bareback, which is absolutely insane in this day and time.The disconnect has gotten bigger and yes shaming is not the answer but the trend is clear.
      Fact is bareback sex is how the virus is most widely spread, there is no cure, and a life on meds is no picnic so again where is the disconnect?
      I can attest that I am surrounded by friends that are positiive and the consistent use of a condom has been the only thing that has differentiated our sex lives, and HIV isn’t the only terrifying thing out there anymore.

    • boweryboy 2 months ago

      The way I see it, no one can make you feel ashamed of your behavior unless you allow them to do so. I don’t think anyone is “poz shaming”, as you put it, and if you think anyone is then perhaps it’s your conscience speaking to you. I do get what you’re trying to say: that we should stop stigmatizing bareback sex and have an open dialogue about why gay men still engage in this practice. You can read the right books, watch the right movies, and volunteer for the right organizations, but for those of us who lived through the AIDS epidemic, bareback sex (not an HIV+ status) should be stigmatized. It’s the #1 cause of the spread of the virus.  And the thing is, back then we already had this dialogue with the consensus being if you don’t want HIV, have protected sex. It’s your choice.  Outside of being under the influence of drugs, I can’t think of a situation where you wouldn’t have the presence of mind to use a condom. I had an ex-boyfriend of 3 years who was HIV+. I was, and still am, HIV- and I was aware of his status when we met. No matter how hot and heavy the sex got we both had the presence of mind to always use a condom.  On the other hand, my present partner of 8 years and I do not have protected sex. However, during the first three years of our relationship we had protected sex and repeatedly got tested for HIV until the window of opportunity of contracting the virus from past sexual partners had closed. This was a personal choice we made because we’re in a loving, trusting, monogamous relationship. It’s not a choice I would recommend for everyone but it works for us given the level of trust, love and commitment we have for each other. I think you’re receiving such negative reactions primarily because you say you’re committed to remaining HIV- but in the same breath you say you will more than likely have unprotected sex again. It’s a gross contradiction that hits a nerve with a lot of people. That’s your prerogative and I am not judging your decision. If you continue to have occasional unprotected sex you’re setting yourself up to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And in 20 years from now when you’re possibly HIV+ and you re-read this article perhaps you’ll have a completely different perspective on the reactions you have received.

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    • Joseph Best 2 months ago

      Kudos. Not per se for the content but for the fact that you’re talking about this topic. I don’t agree with your assertions but who cares. This piece is a good start. Something is happening in the decision making process of gay men and condom use that is fundamentally different than when gay men negotiated sex 10 years ago. It’s become more complicated for a lot of reasons and the only way we can find out why men are not using condoms is to talk about it. The risk calculations are different. People are living. HIV has become a private discussion with your doctor. Testing is better, faster, cheaper. And people are making their own risk calculations. Epidemiological studies seem to show that many of those new risk calculations are probably not effective if folks rationally want to avoid sero-conversion. But the fact is— the only way we know about how decisions are made is to broach the subject and talk about it. I hope you’re safe. I hope you don’t ever become infected. And we all need to talk about sex, and desire and risk. Talking about this now is good. Your essay doesn’t tell the whole story. Hopefully more folks will.

    • damonlj 2 months ago

      Your courage and integrity writing this article are an inspiration for all of us, especially those who have been working in the HIV field for the past two decades. Whether we like it or not, new infection rates in the U.S. have not declined for the past decade. The all-or-nothing approach to condom use has failed a great part of our community, and the issues raised in this piece are necessary components of having compassionate and responsible discussions.  I hope readers will also consider that “PrEP” might be satisfying option for those how don’t or can’t use condoms consistently.  Thank you Kyle for your strength, even in the midst of negative critical feedback.

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    • eddieb6 2 months ago

      Thank you for your article, Kyle. I appreciate your honesty and writing about your struggle. It seems this is a great starting point for many of us — to recognize our humanity and weaknesses and say, “given these, how can I make better choices for my and other people’s health?” This could be in regards to drugs or alcohol and all types of sexual behaviors.  My only suggestion is to change the question to “How can we talk about less risky sex?” — focus on the healthier behavior, not the riskier. Some things people may not be aware of:
      - Testing, treatment and prevention are much more closely aligned than even 15 years ago. Persons who are poz but in treatment w/undetectable viral loads are much less likely to transmit HIV even if safer sex isn’t used http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/heterosexual_transmission_1667_23387.shtml - Many people posting noted that the insertive partner (top) loses little pleasure when wearing a condom. However many receptive people (bottoms) find anal sex more pleasurable — even less painful - w/out condoms. MUCH more lube is often needed with condoms.  - Discussing helpful tips with friends, in groups or on-line can help,e.g.:
      — lube INSIDE and outside the condom increases sensitivity,
      — magnum-sized condoms even for those just above average may help with maintaining erections (yes make sure they are snug enough to not fall off)
      — my opinion is that health departments that haven’t should stop hyping the risk of oral sex by handing out flavored condoms without lube. Focus on where the risk is in public campaigns. Let people have sloppy, hot, naked sex, just wrap it up for fucking. (If people ask, sure discuss oral, but I understand the risk to not be for HIV as much as other STIs). - Having these frank discussions can help people figure out how to make better choices. Asking “when DO I make good choices” may be more helpful than “when/why do I bareback?” i.e. focus on the affirmative. Thanks!
      Eddie Boyte
      Cleveland

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    • damonlj 2 months ago

      What a wonderful and courageous piece. I am astounded and impressed by Kyle’s candor, bravery, and willingness to be vulnerable in this way. It is not easy, as evidenced by the numerous critical messages on this board. I hope people will look at themselves before judging others, and also consider learning more about use of “PrEP” in preventing HIV (www.prepfacts.org). Thank you Kyle!

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    • maouAOÛT 2 months ago

      Mr Bella, Yes, more open and frank discussion is needed about barebacking among gay men. And yes, understanding the motivation behind the desire to do so would be enlightening. I don’t think many would argue that this was not the proposed intent of your article. I found it alarming, though, that given the obvious thought and detail that went into presenting your argument, you never once used the words “medicine” or “healthcare.” I know, you mentioned taking part in a trial for an HIV vaccine. Thank you. In the probably-distant future, your contribution may help develop an effective one. But that’s not what I mean.  You said, “Maybe others who bareback have no knowledge of [the] history [of HIV/AIDS] or realize they have friends who struggle with the virus every day. But I do….” Later, you ask, “Are men who engage in barebacking sex really self-destructive, uneducated, or unfamiliar with the risk? I don’t think so….” That you never acknowledge it is medicine and healthcare and the ongoing availability of both very possibly for the remainder of an HIV+ person’s lifetime makes me think that, for all the movies you’ve seen, books you’ve read, people you’ve known, vaccination trials you participate in, and the selection of Keith Haring’s “Unfinished Painting” for the half-sleeve tattoo you want, you don’t understand it as well as you think you do.  And I’m not talking about the suggested lifestyle changes for someone with a virus that compromises the immune system: no more alcohol, no more drugs, a strict dedication to eating “cleanly”, a regular and varied exercise regimen that may not necessarily create a body you want or anyone finds desirable, scheduling and attending regular medical treatment and evaluation, ensuring you have available - and take - your medication according to a set schedule every single day very possibly for the rest of your life.  What I’m talking about - and what I don’t think you quite understand - is the reality of tomorrow for those who live with HIV. Please put yourself in their shoes for a minute, and imagine the very real possibility that one day you may find yourself without a job that pays for the medicine and healthcare keeping you healthy. If you’re lucky enough to have COBRA, I hope you’ll be lucky enough to pay for it, too. Medicare? Well, the supplemental insurance you’ll need to make it truly viable is nearly as expensive as COBRA. Sure, there are not-for-profit health organizations that can help you when the chips are down financially. Well, today there are. You may want to ask someone who works at one how likely it is they will be able to provide all the required medicine and services if the number of men - and women - who engage in barebacking continues to climb at this rate. “Triage” is a nasty business. Be sure to ask about that; they use it outside emergency rooms, too. I have to think that if you were really familiar with the risks that accompany barebacking, I wouldn’t have felt the need to make this comment.

      • Kyle Bella 2 months ago

        You say “I don’t understand a lot” many times throughout the article, but I’m actually very familiar with the difficulties of getting access to healthcare that covers HIV meds. It’s pretty well documented, and I have read up on it. The way you frame everything here is actually patronizing, and it’s unfortunate you have to frame things in that the way. A better thing to ask would be, “How can we improve access to HIV treatment medications and increase the effectiveness of our prevention programs?” And, yes, many would actually argue that my article did nothing to open dialogue. There are plenty of comments below (and above) that show name calling and unwillingness to even acknowledge certain facts about people. There are other, better articles, by people in the health care industry on the challenges of access to appropriate healthcare, not to mention there was not space to talk about the healthcare dimension (though it could certainly be in another piece I write). So while I agree with you in pointing out these healthcare risks, it’d be more productive to have a solutions-based discussion, rather than “I know better than you” one.

      • maouAOÛT 2 months ago

        My apologies to you if the tone of my comment was both patronizing and “I know better than you.” It was not my intention. I assumed, because medicine and healthcare were not mentioned in the article, that you were not fully aware of the medical and healthcare needs – now and in the future – of one who is HIV+ when you chose to bareback; and, as you include in the article, they are not enough to dissuable the possibility of you choosing to bareback in the future.  I was wrong and apologize for my incorrect assumption.

      • Kyle Bella 2 months ago

        No worries! It’s totally okay. Sometimes misunderstandings happen, especially on the internet. Thanks for following up.

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    • thebhass 2 months ago

      Anything I could say here has more than likely been said by everyone who’s commented prior to now. But I just wanna say thank you for this article. I think once you get past the “poz shaming” (as you so called it in a response to someone else’s critical post), it really opens up the floor for a REAL discussion about what really happens but nobody wants to talk about. Thank you for your honesty. I’ve been so fascinated by my friends’ discussion of slut-shaming in the wake of their women and gender studies’ classes, but this article made me realize that we, as a community, do tend to poz-shame anyone who has bareback sex. I’ve made mistakes before, and can’t guarantee they won’t happen in the future even though I know the risks, as well. I definitely have worked to be smarter in my decisions of who I’ll have sex with so if bareback happens, it’s not something I’d necessarily consider a mistake. But I definitely know that if I do end up positive someday that I’d be the only one to blame. And I wouldn’t need to be poz-shamed to make me see that I’d be the only one to blame. We all make mistakes, and then some of us do our best to take calculated, thought out risks instead of more mistakes; but when it comes to guarantees, bareback sex doesn’t really have any. I think, honestly, HIV is a very scary viral infection and all of us know that. But the absolute fear of it is what causes people to react so harshly against someone whose opinion regarding condom-less sex differs from the party line. HIV most definitely is serious and life-threatening, but trying to almost verbally slap fear into someone else to prevent future mistakes isn’t the most effective way of getting the seriousness across. Honest conversation that comes from breaking down walls and talking openly and candidly and honestly are the best ways to help start constructive discussions about this topic. Thank you for not being afraid to talk about what people don’t like talking about.

      • Kyle Bella 2 months ago

        Thank you so much for the support! I’m glad to have it, and I hope that more people will follow suit, recognizing how we’re talking about sex now just isn’t doing anyone a favor— individually and as the larger communities we’re part of. Let’s attack unequal systems and access to education, prevention, treatment, etc. but not people.

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    • Aristotle (You know that one Old Greek Guy) is quoted to have said, “It is through knowledge that I gain understanding, and understanding allows me to do by choice what others do by constraint of fear.”  I appreciate this article and its author for the genuine sharing. It roughed up some feathers, turned heads, and ensued plenty of he said she said thoughtfulness. Good, we need this obviously. We need to be challenged and asked to look deeper, to look closely, to ask questions. I happy to be one to break it to each and every one of you brother/sister lovers who needs to read, that YOU are no more right then he is no more wrong. Wake up and shake it up, not one of you is an object, and by no means is this person who wrote this article an object. They are the subject of your existence, the only reason you are here is to share it, care for it, and live it. LOVE IT IF YOU DARE! Cause then you might find that life is RAW, that life is BARE, nothing is between you and them, in fact all things that they are you are too. Choice, you have no choice but to chose. Your going to make one and it maybe the right one and the wrong one, cause someone is judging it, telling you what it “should” be, and that someone might just be you, the voice in your head. Communication is the hottest combination, one love. Our ability to do this and do this well so we all prosper is sadly well below the level of what might in some forms of being be considered harmonious. So think before you shame and say that is wrong, that’s unsafe, that’s risky. Think before you judge and create more of an imaginary space between you and another. Truthful Loving Simple caring comes from being here for one another in service. Give Give and Give some more. How do you expect someone to succeed and live as an equal if you put them down for not living up to your standards. We are mirrors for one another, people so quick to throw stones and shatter the real reality of what they might see. I love and appreciate all the thoughts shared, it’s important, these are just my thoughts for consideration.

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    • Lro84 2 months ago

      This kid’s parents must be so very proud. They should congratulate themselves on raising such a considerate & responsible member of society.

    • mimiv2 2 months ago

      I’m sorry, but I really don’t get the point?! So there are people out there who decide to risk their life for sex, I know that. But what exactly is there to discuss? If you don’t know the person USE A CONDOM. Do we really have to discuss that everything else is irresponsible? Why should anybody risk HIV (and, by the way, there’s more STDs out there) when he could easily protect him or herself? Of course, a condom can break, a partner can cheat (and be too stupid to use a condom) but to risk your life because you can’t be bothered? I really try to grasp this but I simply can’t. I grew up when the public became aware of AIDS and I still remember the Benetton ad with the dying young man, maybe that’s why I always thought that it isn’t worth it, but it seems that not all people use their knowledge to come to the same conclusion. It can’t be that I have to watch my language just so somebody else, who behaves reckless and irresponsible feels better. Yes, evetybody can decide for him or herself, but why do I have to pat them on the back and say “There, there” when it’s the same as somebody playing Russian Roulette (by the way: nobody would feel sorry for the idiot who shot himself)?
      What about people who are positive but don’t know it because they don’t care to get tested or are newly infected and go spreading it around? Do they (potentially) commit a crime or is it just bad luck for their partners? I’m sorry, I know my post is confusing, I really try to grasp any of this, but as someone who has always used a condom exactly BECAUSE I know of the risks, I really can’t see why I should tell anybody else it is okay, even when I’m convinced it is not!

      • Kyle Bella 2 months ago

        I’m not telling everyone it’s okay to have sex without condoms. I’m telling them it’s okay to be able to talk about your experiences in hopes of trying to create a conversation that more adequately responds to the realities of how a lot of people are having sex. I’m encouraging discussion, not behavior.

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    • boweryboy 2 months ago

      On the flipside of this, I’ve had potential sexual partners shame me for not wanting to have bareback sex. Personally, I think the pleasure is pretty much the same whether your junk is wrapped in a condom or not. However, the risks one takes is lessened if the sex is protected. I think the trend of barebacking is due to complaceny. Contracting HIV is no longer a death sentence like it used to be in the ’80s. I must say as someone who lived through the AIDS epidemic during the ’80s; who lost many dear friends to AIDS; and who have many friend who are living with HIV this disregard for oneself in pursuit of a few moments of pleasure saddens me to no end. During the height of the epidemci, I really had high hopes that we as a community would be more responsible when it comes sex, sexual activity and HIV.  Unfortunately, we’re still not.

    • DCisonit 2 months ago

      I’m glad you wrote this. It took a lot of courage and I commend you for it. A lot of people don’t want to hear the truth so they make you wrong, bash you for saying what is real for you and possibly/probably a lot of other people. They’re followers, nothing you can do about that. You’re a leader in identifying what just may be a new trend that we need to be able to talk about. I came up in the early day of AIDS and remember people responding viscously to anyone trying to even publicly discuss it. I’m seeing a lot of that same hysteria in some of the negative comments directed at you for publishing this. The more things change…

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      I refuse to use the words “unsafe sex” to describe barebacking. I believe it’s a phrase people use to make you feel ashamed about very real desires and habits you have. Desires, maybe. If it’s habits, it’s definitely unsafe and should be called out as such. If you want to consider this to be some kind of societally-induced shaming, so be it. But let’s be clear about this: those of us who are comfortable in who we are, and who our friends are, make a big point about shaming behavior, not status. Are men who engage in barebacking sex really self-destructive, uneducated, or unfamiliar with the risk? Men who didn’t live through the 1980s and 1990s as sexually active individuals could be partly excused for being ignorant of the risk, but that’s thanks to the rest of us sweeping the issue under the rug too many times and pretending that it’s hard to talk about barebacking. In fact, there are definitely men who not only feel comfortable talking about barebacking; they actively advocate for it. Scared yet? You should be. It’s not difficult to talk about barebacking; those who push for it as some kind of twisted societal norm prove that. But it is difficult to convince people who are too uncomfortable in their own skins to stand up for their own health and the health of the larger community. That’s where the real shame comes from.

      • Kyle Bella 2 months ago

        Shaming anything, whether it’s the person or the behavior, isn’t okay. Working with people to understand their reasons for having certain kinds of sex and developing treatment models based on that is what works. As far as “bareback advocacy,” that’s not what I’m doing. I’m advocating for creating spaces where people aren’t shamed into feeling like talking about sexual practices or desires isn’t okay. So, yes, it is hard to talk about barebacking sex because, in placing yourself on some moral pedestal, work by closing off the possibility of really dialogue on how everyone can make smarter, more informed choices about risks they take when having sex.

      • AdamATL 2 months ago

        That’s just it: Barebacking nonchalantly, anonymously is not OK. It may be a choice, and I respect individuals’ choices (hell, sex without a condom can be great — my partner and I do it, after having had tests, and knowing each other’s status), but when we talk about how any concepts affects us as a group, then the group’s wellness does have to be considered. Unsafe sex is the singular dominant method for HIV to be transmitted from one person to another, and unsafe sex practiced as an unwritten norm is precisely how it has become so prevalent among gay men. Treating this as if it’s acceptable to have unsafe sex, with random people, as some kind of non-shameful behavior is advocacy of barebacking as a norm. It’s a shame (pun intended) that you don’t understand this logic.

    • KT84 2 months ago

      Sorry if this is a double post but my first post seems to have disappeared. I understand where you are coming from and I appreciate the dialogue you are trying to start. However, I do have a couple of issues with the post.    First, the 50% statistic. I’m pretty sure that statistic comes from men who use hook-up apps, not the general gay/bisexual/queer community. Big difference.    Second, you ask “Are men who engage in barebacking sex really self-destructive, uneducated, or unfamiliar with the risk?” The answer to the second two is “many actually are”. Recent CDC data shows that many of the states with the highest infection rates are in Southern states with limited sex education. Even in more “liberal” states like NY and NJ sex education can be lacking. I don’t think the “Use a condom” method is not working; its just being ignored which is a different but just as important issue.    Third, race and politics play a role as well. The young African-American community is so underserved by both the LGBT orgs and HIV/AIDS orgs. Its no coincidence then that HIV runs rampant in that community. We need more education and outreach in this area, where just being gay can be a stigma.    Lastly, you wonder why men continue to engage in risky sex when they know the dangers of it (sorry but barebacking is not a term I think appropriate here). Maybe this is the simplistic explanation but here goes: men are horny and will frequently do risky or unsafe things for sex. Its why men cheat on their spouses, hook up in sketchy bar bathrooms, invite strangers into their homes for a quick fuck, spend hundreds of dollars on escorts, and fall into bed with ex-girlfriends and boyfriends. Maybe there’s more to it, maybe there’s not. I applaud you for trying to change the shame tactic many employ when confronted with those who has partaken in risky sex. But I can’t help but feel like the tone of the article was “Condoms aren’t working, maybe barebacking isn’t so bad, let’s talk about it”. I know it wasn’t but I can see why others would.

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    • KT84 2 months ago

      I understand where you are coming from and I appreciate the dialogue you are trying to start. However, I do have a couple of issues with the post.  First, the 50% statistic. I’m pretty sure that statistic comes from men who use hook-up apps, not the general gay/bisexual/queer community. Big difference.  Second, you ask “Are men who engage in barebacking sex really self-destructive, uneducated, or unfamiliar with the risk?” The answer to the second two is “many actually are”. Recent CDC data shows that many of the states with the highest infection rates are in Southern states with limited sex education. Even in more “liberal” states like NY and NJ sex education can be lacking. I don’t think the “Use a condom” method is not working; its just being ignored which is a different but just as important issue.  Third, race and politics play a role as well. The young African-American community is so underserved by both the LGBT orgs and HIV/AIDS orgs. Its no coincidence then that HIV runs rampant in that community. We need more education and outreach in this area, where just being gay can be a stigma.  Lastly, you wonder why men continue to engage in risky sex when they know the dangers of it (sorry but barebacking is not a term I think appropriate here). Maybe this is the simplistic explanation but here goes: men are horny and will frequently do risky or unsafe things for sex. Its why men cheat on their spouses, hook up in sketchy bar bathrooms, invite strangers into their homes for a quick fuck, spend hundreds of dollars on escorts, and fall into bed with ex-girlfriends and boyfriends. Maybe there’s more to it, maybe there’s not. I applaud you for trying to change the shame tactic many employ when confronted with those who has partaken in risky sex. But I can’t help but feel like the tone of the article was “Safe sex and condom education isn’t working, maybe barebacking isn’t so bad, let’s talk about it”. I know it wasn’t but I can see why others would.

      • Kyle Bella 2 months ago

        The statistic is problematic, but I’d argue that those numbers are typically undereported, due to people not feeling comfortable admitting their status. And while, yes, those apps reflect a percentage of total gay/bisexual/queer men, I don’t think it’s fair not to assume a lot of people aren’t barebacking, or that these men are necessarily engaging in more risky behavior. I’ve looked over that infection rate map, and sure, the Southern states rank higher, but NYC, Philadelphia, DC, San Francisco, Chicago, etc. all have VERY high rates of infection, despite allocating significant resources to campaigns, testing, treatment, and so on. To me, it’s clear there is a breakdown SOMEWHERE in how we’re discussing sex and sexuality. To me, that breakdown happens when condom use doesn’t follow a legitimate focus on risk-reduction strategies for particular populations. Of course access to information is unequal in terms of race. I’m not disputing that, but that wasn’t the purpose of the article. I’d love to write more about that, or have people who are strong advocates within those communities right about the challenges (and they already are). But this lack of access to information is part of a larger problem of stigmatizing sexuality in many forms, which is precisely why talking about condom use is not the be-all-end-all of the discussion. It’s a component of what needs to be a much larger conversation. I’m glad you get the message. And I’m sorry others can’t see it, but I’d even say it’s less “maybe barebacking isn’t so bad” (I’m REALLY not condoning all type of behavior, and most times I will use a condom) than it is “Significant percentages of people ARE engaging in barebacking sex. We have a lot of problems related to how we frame our discussions on sexuality, especially for LGBTQ people, or even how we have discussions at all. Because of this observation, we need to consider why risky sex is happening, how the way we talk about it shames people into silence, and how, in breaking those negative patterns, we can find more effective ways to promote more informed, healthy sexuality for all individuals.”

      • KT84 2 months ago

        Kyle, thank you for your thorough and thoughtful response. I still don’t trust the 50% statistic but I don’t doubt people under report so it might be hard to ever get a true number. As for the breakdown between prevention education and the raw data, I hate to say this but I think ignorance and carelessness play a large part. To many young gay men, HIV is just not that big of a deal. I have heard people say it is treatable like diabetes (ignoring the fact that diabetes is a very serious disease). Now we have the porn studios going condom-free, which sends the message to many young gay men that condoms aren’t neccessary (I imagine most gay men of the past 20 years have learned the basics of gay sex from porn. Where else would they learn?). To some guys, they want sex now - forget asking about sexual history or a condom. I think this is the major issue we have to tackle in terms of risky behavior.  I definitely get what you are saying about overcoming the stigma of our past sexual history and its important to talk about risky sex (sorry, I still feel barebacking is a porn category). Its just that its going to be very difficult. You say you don’t want to shame people and I agree - but how can we prevent or minimize risky behavior if we don’t warn against it and highlight the negative consequences? Wouldn’t that be considered shaming to some?  I remember a quote from Jack Mackenroth on AfterElton about his HIV activism - I am paraphrasing but he basically says on one hand you want to get rid of the stigma against HIV positive individuals; on the other you want to prevent negative folks from becoming positive. I feel it is the same here - we don’t want to condemn people who have had risky sex but we don’t want to promote it either.

        Its can be a fine line sometimes between shaming and condoning - and I think that is why so many people have jumped all over the original post. To many, especially those who lived through the 80s and 90s, sex without a condom is mindblowingly stupid and to them, pointing out that many engage in that behavior is tantamount to endorsing it. To others, growing up in a world where AIDS is less prevelant and HIV more treatable (and where marriage equality has taken over most LGBT advocacy groups), condoms can be a nuisance and pointing out their effectiveness is nagging and shaming of sexual freedom. It will difficult to force both sides to discuss the issues - but I guess nothing worth doing is easy (or some other cliche lol).  And I really hope that you always practice safe sex. You are smart enough and aware enough to not choose momentary pleasure over a lifetime of consequences.

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    • joshuab29 2 months ago

      EVERYONE NEGOTIATES THEIR OWN RISKS.